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davidthegnome

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50. So... penalize the poor?

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 11:31 PM

Mar 2013

That seems to be where they're going with this. From what I can tell, no one who is wealthy is going to be terribly effected by this, only people who are both low income and obese, people who might be strongly effected by the penalty. Yet, CVS can keep on selling cigarettes, booze, potato chips, any brands of soda or candy... they can sell the very things which lead to obesity and poor health, but demand the right to invade our privacy if we buy them.

They have no right to this information. None at all.

Now if they wanted to provide an incentive, such as a discount, for people who were in better health as a result of healthier lifestyle... then I could get on board for that. What they're doing though, is forcing greater sacrifice on workers who are already sacrificing enough. It's despicable. It's sick. It should not be legal or tolerated anywhere.

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CVS Workers Must Report How Much They Weigh Or Pay $600 Fine [View all] Bennyboy Mar 2013 OP

Link insurance company executive pay to their own BMI Blandocyte Mar 2013 #1

I had to get a physical or pay 200 a month extra for insurance XRubicon Mar 2013 #2

In a country where obesity is a real problem upaloopa Mar 2013 #3

BMI does not account for frame or muscle mass. Also it only squares height where it should cube ( MillennialDem Mar 2013 #44

They already do. gauguin57 Mar 2013 #77

Discriminatory HeiressofBickworth Mar 2013 #4

Not discriminatory caraher Mar 2013 #6

+1 aaaaaa5a Mar 2013 #10

Your definition of "a big part of the health care problem" bread_and_roses Mar 2013 #33

I agree with almost everything you wrote. aaaaaa5a Mar 2013 #40

Personal responsibility abelenkpe Mar 2013 #63

Is it a fine or a discount for people who try to make an effort to lead healthy lives? nt aaaaaa5a Mar 2013 #81

In this case it is a fine abelenkpe Mar 2013 #89

Those are popular words with left-wingers, as well tabasco Mar 2013 #105

Many food choices, however, Brainstormy Mar 2013 #76

Please re-read my last post. I NEVER said it was ONLY about personal responsibility. aaaaaa5a Mar 2013 #80

No argument there Brainstormy Mar 2013 #83

I agree that it is difficult. aaaaaa5a Mar 2013 #88

As Exhibit A, I present FreeRepublic.com. Arkana Mar 2013 #116

Good points on food and class. apnu Mar 2013 #102

And Republicans lack sympathy for those union_maid Mar 2013 #97

I don't agree ... not everyone shares the same metabolism or heredity Auggie Mar 2013 #18

Those of us on the other side are not talking about the differences between aaaaaa5a Mar 2013 #82

But it is also wrong to assume that things like Type II diabetes are simply "lifestyle" diseases. . markpkessinger Mar 2013 #90

Agreed. aaaaaa5a Mar 2013 #93

That's all true, BUT... markpkessinger Mar 2013 #98

Had they created a discount for partiicpating, that would have been acceptable. What they did is no robinlynne Mar 2013 #54

The difference is in wording (possibly even in the reporting) Nihil Mar 2013 #100

I beg to differ. Laelth Mar 2013 #68

Welcome to working in a hospital XanaDUer Mar 2013 #5

hospital kardonb Mar 2013 #8

What is wrong with being fat? N/t alp227 Mar 2013 #23

Obviously, it is unhealthy. n/t bitchkitty Mar 2013 #45

So Michael Moore and Ray Lewis are unhealthy? n/t alp227 Mar 2013 #47

Certainly not as healthy as they would be bitchkitty Mar 2013 #53

I'm solid muscle and my BMI tells me I am obese Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2013 #64

The Military had problems with the BMI just for that reason. fasttense Mar 2013 #66

You (and Lewis) are exceptions to the rule. bitchkitty Mar 2013 #67

Actually, carrying some excess fat may be better than being lean elias7 Mar 2013 #73

Mild obesity is kind of a broad term. bitchkitty Mar 2013 #75

Actually the whole rule is broken because it does not account for height properly at all MillennialDem Mar 2013 #87

it is being challenged because you said "ray lewis needs to lose weight to be Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2013 #92

Granted, I wasn't sure who Ray Lewis was bitchkitty Mar 2013 #94

that i will not argue with. Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2013 #95

obviously? Iris Mar 2013 #51

Would you want a smoker as your doctor/nurse? alp227 Mar 2013 #26

Why would I give a shit if my health care worker was a smoker Curmudgeoness Mar 2013 #38

I'm sure I've had more than one doctor or nurse who is smoker. Iris Mar 2013 #52

I don't care. Incitatus Mar 2013 #91

weird question. robinlynne Mar 2013 #114

I don't care if my dr or nurse smokes, as long as I Ilsa Mar 2013 #117

But shouldn't health care providers practice what they preach? n/t alp227 Mar 2013 #118

Hell, you can't get priests to practice what they preach. Ilsa Mar 2013 #119

Im not sure yet how I feel about this BigD_95 Mar 2013 #7

Well let's not stop there Duer 157099 Mar 2013 #29

I have knows obese people to life into their 90's. Curmudgeoness Mar 2013 #39

Seriously, what is WebMD planning to do with this info? Jerry442 Mar 2013 #9

it's $1200 dollars where i work.. frylock Mar 2013 #11

I think it's great that they are taking an interest in the health of their employees slackmaster Mar 2013 #12

I just cannot bring myself to believe that Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #15

Of course it's about money slackmaster Mar 2013 #17

Oh, I am sloooow today. LOL nt Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #19

One of the common apologia for Bloomberg's nonsense are the healthcare costs Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #84

Same thing where i work. secondvariety Mar 2013 #13

First they came after us smokers and the majority did not defend us... Tx4obama Mar 2013 #14

Yup. The insurance model of health coverage keeps getting more and more unworkable all the time. Jerry442 Mar 2013 #20

TX4OBAMA, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT Skittles Mar 2013 #24

Fools pmorlan1 Mar 2013 #58

Maybe they're doing it backward? We get a 40% discount for participating in a health program. George II Mar 2013 #16

I just cannot get comfortable with this kind of coercion. Brigid Mar 2013 #21

I'll tell you exactly what they will get Skittles Mar 2013 #25

Squat... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #28

Pay and benefits? nt Llewlladdwr Mar 2013 #34

Is that enough? Brigid Mar 2013 #35

Or your medical information? Nt abelenkpe Mar 2013 #65

Another Disgusting Example supercats Mar 2013 #22

George Orwell was right about Big Brother. Brigid Mar 2013 #27

The only thing Orwell got wrong was the year... truebrit71 Mar 2013 #115

We should just run everyone's genotype at birth. bluedigger Mar 2013 #30

We're getting there Duer 157099 Mar 2013 #31

Don't give them any ideas. Brigid Mar 2013 #32

If they don't sign up, coverage jumps by $50 a month..... Curmudgeoness Mar 2013 #36

are they also going to test them for the use of nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, etc. olddad56 Mar 2013 #37

lawsuit waiting to happen. Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2013 #41

I seem to remember... jeffrey_pdx Mar 2013 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author jeffrey_pdx Mar 2013 #57

Shame that all that muscle stops you from reading ... Nihil Mar 2013 #99

shame that i lost interest in your missive after the first words of snark and snide Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2013 #107

Your loss. Nihil Mar 2013 #111

this would devolve into a flame war, but i'll just put you on ignore and that's the end of it Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2013 #112

This goes too far...and it's discrimination in a time when so many KoKo Mar 2013 #42

End for profit medical insurance now! Lint Head Mar 2013 #43

End for profit "health insurance". Medicare for all! Dawson Leery Mar 2013 #46

Somewhat clueless reporting, there... krkaufman Mar 2013 #48

best idea yet as far as I'm concerned olddots Mar 2013 #60

CVS has it backwards idahoblue Mar 2013 #49

So... penalize the poor? davidthegnome Mar 2013 #50

If I do not give them the same information like CVS wants, my insurance dings me 600 big ones. Safetykitten Mar 2013 #55

This is why we do not have single-payer or even public option. MindPilot Mar 2013 #59

If the government required this abelenkpe Mar 2013 #61

The RW successfully used that tactic against unions and paying dues, too Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #85

Good on them. They should also ask how many people you sleep with in a year The Straight Story Mar 2013 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Pryderi Mar 2013 #69

It's like an employment act for lawyers. nt bemildred Mar 2013 #70

Companies have done that for years with smoking. They are free to charge sinkingfeeling Mar 2013 #71

Good idea in theory... kyeshinka Mar 2013 #72

Many companies already do that ... Myrina Mar 2013 #74

Another example- ruffburr Mar 2013 #78

What if they ask "Have you ever had an abortion; use birth control; Tcell count?" kiranon Mar 2013 #79

I feel like this is getting into an area that is simply too personal. hamsterjill Mar 2013 #86

One of the worst Drug Stores in Existance.... lib2DaBone Mar 2013 #96

Waist/Hip Ratio "better" indicator HockeyMom Mar 2013 #101

I bet they don't give any discount to active gym attendees. davsand Mar 2013 #103

There are ways to promote health that don't involve collecting personal data TriplD Mar 2013 #104

CVS Pharmacy are God...... lib2DaBone Mar 2013 #106

WTF? Really, WTF? How is fucking BMI became a legitimate predictor of someone's health? idwiyo Mar 2013 #108

I smell a lawsuit JCMach1 Mar 2013 #109

They are not doing this to make you healthier... davidn3600 Mar 2013 #110

And what about autoimmune diseases that mess with your metabolism? Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #113