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leveymg

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20. We largely agree, and where we disagree, are agreeable about it. That's all too rare. ;-)
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 12:34 PM
Mar 2013

Do you think the elites continue to be truly clueless, or that they're simply running complex competing games, each hoping that they can game the system so as to be able to anticipate and manage uncertain outcomes?

Or, do you think that is just evidence of their collective cluelessness, and is the way it was a century ago when it led to disaster - the system was then and is now actually chaotic, which randomizes the outcomes of all subsets of the game?

I believe we agree that it is unlikely that there is any one ruling elite successfully running the show for its own gain for any extended period. But, there may be several lesser elites who do rather comparatively well out of seeming chaos.

I certainly think you have captured things well in your concluding statement:

But anyway, I see the same thing today, the hubris, the provincialism, the arrogant ignorance and deep faith in the failed status quo. In the period of rapidest change in human history, by orders of magnitude, all effort is bent to stall progress. And denial has a steep cost.





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The US, UK and France should never have started this armed regime change operation. leveymg Mar 2013 #1
We have no Syria Policy, so it can't very well be in shambles. nt bemildred Mar 2013 #2
We had one (the Petraeus-Clinton covert armed intervention), but that was shut down. leveymg Mar 2013 #3
You think it's a conspiracy. I think it's fecklessness. bemildred Mar 2013 #4
We seem to largely agree: but, the end result may well be what was sought all along. leveymg Mar 2013 #5
It is the decay of empire, plain and simple. bemildred Mar 2013 #7
Just as decay of the Austro-Hungarian & Ottoman Empires & the rush to fill those vacuums led to WW1 leveymg Mar 2013 #8
You've got it. bemildred Mar 2013 #9
Most think of WWI as a European war, but it really started in the Balkans & Turkey in 1912 leveymg Mar 2013 #11
It is a subject that people disagree about. bemildred Mar 2013 #17
We largely agree, and where we disagree, are agreeable about it. That's all too rare. ;-) leveymg Mar 2013 #20
That would take a book, I think, however, in order: bemildred Mar 2013 #25
The covert intervention is ongoing: Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #21
The Petraeus-Clinton program was a more direct covert arming of the opposition. leveymg Mar 2013 #23
the "covert" intervention leads to brilliantly clumsy lies.. Alamuti Lotus Mar 2013 #27
I see the opposite--Obama's policy of standing back a little was validated. TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #6
If the opposition wins Syria will be a fundamentalist Islamic state with Sharia law. L0oniX Mar 2013 #10
It's hard to pat yourself on the back when you're sitting on your hands. Triloon Mar 2013 #29
I think the revolution was about the Gulf States seeing a chance to get rid of a rival. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #30
Who the hell has a goal of patting one's self on the back? L0oniX Mar 2013 #32
Our policy has been to do as little as possible geek tragedy Mar 2013 #12
Correct. Nothing is the default strategy, and very often the best strategy. nt bemildred Mar 2013 #13
But never an emotionally satisfying one. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #14
Good analysis. David__77 Mar 2013 #18
But it's how you separate the men from the boys, so to speak. bemildred Mar 2013 #19
Except to help arm the rebels. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #24
Why does Obama have to have a "policy" for stage managing events there? David__77 Mar 2013 #15
I have to admit that I haven't paid very much attention to Syria alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #16
If we make every nation's strife and civil war our business and responsibility, we're seriously TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #22
Being careful not to be involved deeply in Syria Progressive dog Mar 2013 #26
Thank You!!!!! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2013 #31
I honestly don't understand what's going on in Syria anymore britaphilter Mar 2013 #28
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