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OrwellwasRight

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68. No, I am saying tax dodgers are tax dodgers.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 09:18 PM
Mar 2013

Foreigners who park their money in Cyprus in order to avoid paying taxes in their home countries are tax dodgers. It is not a difficult concept.

From post #20, in which I respectfully disagreed with you, a favor you cannot apparently return:

You know, the wealthy always deny that they are so. Nevertheless, I largely agree that stock and bondholders should lose all before any depositors lose anything.

On the other hand, Cypriot banks have so many accounts with more than 100K in Euros for a simple reason: they are a tax haven. Russian mobsters park money there to avoid paying taxes to their own government. I am frankly not opposed to taxing tax dodgers. I think there is no principled stnad in defending tax dodgers.

So, maybe the answer is to let the stock and bondholders lose (yeah, as if the powers that be would let that happen) and then tax the deposits made by non-Cypriots in accounts over 100K Euros.


(emphasis added, original spelling not corrected)

Do not put words in my mouth. Read my posts instead. I proposed taxing large deposits by non-Cypriots, i.e., money launderers. Which is not "stealing money from people under the guise the "well some of the people were abusing the system"." If you think that taxing = stealing, you are perhaps in the wrong party. Most Democrats accept the fact that taxes are the price we pay to live in a civilized society (with a nod to Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes).

And to your point, this money has not been moved. There is plenty of tax-dodger money in Cyprus. Cyprus has enforced bank holidays since the crisis started (except for ATMs, which allow people who need their money to live to access it) to prevent the money moving offshore. And the U.S. is not a tax haven, we share information on deposits and depositors with the country of citizneship of depositors so that any taxes owed can be sought by those countries.

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In answer to your last question...maybe FDIC? nt Poll_Blind Mar 2013 #1
fdic only works up to a certain amount dsc Mar 2013 #2
I checked before I posted. From the page: Poll_Blind Mar 2013 #6
The EU is just making us the rules as they go. And that is EXACTLY what happened here BlueStreak Mar 2013 #8
FDIC works for BANK losses..not gov't "haircuts" dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #11
Good point. This is wrapped up as a one time tax BlueStreak Mar 2013 #14
No, that is exactly what the FDIC insurance works for. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #16
so who's correct orwellwasRight or dixiegrrrrl leftyohiolib Mar 2013 #25
dixiegrrrrl is right. dkf Mar 2013 #51
Wrong. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #54
FDIC isn't for wrongdoing...it's just insurance for whatever reason the funds may not be there. dkf Mar 2013 #59
I am not confusing FDIC with anything. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #60
See post #54. nt. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #55
And if FDIC didn't come through for any reason, you could do what? snot Mar 2013 #36
The FDIC offers depositors a Bill of Rights. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #56
This did not answer my question. snot Mar 2013 #71
I think fomenting panic about an FDIC failure is irresponsible and baseless. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #81
God, I hope you're right.... cliffordu Mar 2013 #3
Two things BlueStreak Mar 2013 #4
yeah, raking in the 0.000000000000001% interest lol nt msongs Mar 2013 #5
21 BILLION in profits last year BlueStreak Mar 2013 #7
Yes. The low interest rates accomplish for our banks what the haircut JDPriestly Mar 2013 #45
Savers are not only paying for bad loans, but for bad bets (supposedly called investments) amandabeech Mar 2013 #72
Right. And then they talk about the chained CPI which is simply JDPriestly Mar 2013 #79
Plenty of "regular" people know how to get around that jmowreader Mar 2013 #50
And please recall that in the heat of the 2008 meltdown there was serious discussion BlueStreak Mar 2013 #52
FDIC has assets of $25 billion to cover $9 trillion of deposits. Psephos Mar 2013 #43
It's worse than that. OnyxCollie Mar 2013 #61
Having $1.04 trillion in deposits OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #62
Read the article. OnyxCollie Mar 2013 #64
I did read the article. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #67
There is some cushion in that the FDIC may obtain a loan from the Treasury. amandabeech Mar 2013 #73
Depositors should be paid in full. Stockholders and bondholders should take any required haircut, mbperrin Mar 2013 #9
Stock and Bondholders Will Lose Their Entire Investment Anyway AndyTiedye Mar 2013 #12
No they won't. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #17
Some might lose. Some might profit terrifically BlueStreak Mar 2013 #31
Any bank that is bailed out won't have losses. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #58
They're losing nothing. They're who the bailout is for. mbperrin Mar 2013 #18
Laiki Bank is Being Liquidated, Shareholders and Bondholders Get Nothing AndyTiedye Mar 2013 #40
Stockholders should get wiped out if things go bad. That's the meaning of risk and reward. mbperrin Mar 2013 #41
The Larger Depositors Will End Up Owning Bank of Cyprus AndyTiedye Mar 2013 #44
Not in this case. Ruby the Liberal Mar 2013 #19
every contradicting post is being contradicted leftyohiolib Mar 2013 #26
Not so (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #39
LOL. Clever. nt. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #63
Absolutely agree. That's why this precedent is HORRIBLE BlueStreak Mar 2013 #13
Well, I think some might have different definitions of wealthy. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #20
If the EU banksters didn't like tax havens, then they shouldn't have let Cyprus into the EU BlueStreak Mar 2013 #32
Using a tax haven is not necessarily the same thing as money laundering. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #57
Are you saying that everybody who had 120,000 euros on account is a tax dodger? BlueStreak Mar 2013 #66
No, I am saying tax dodgers are tax dodgers. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #68
It is only a "tax" as a charade. It is stealing indiscriminantly. BlueStreak Mar 2013 #69
I "have still not addressed why I think it is OK" OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #70
They aren't "taxing tax dodgers" BlueStreak Mar 2013 #74
Then why are you arguing with me? OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #80
My apologies. I thought you were arguing that this was a good policy. BlueStreak Mar 2013 #83
While the bondholders should suffer before depositors, that may not help much muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #15
Euro zone finance ministers have approved the EU-IMF plan to resolve cypriot banks - EU official dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #24
The symbolism would have still had value daleo Mar 2013 #30
The 40% is for just the Bank of Cyprus muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #10
THEN the lynchings should begin. This "softer" landing really only benefits those in charge. mbperrin Mar 2013 #21
Lynchings don't make money muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #23
Lynchings keep crooks from doing it again. mbperrin Mar 2013 #37
Your posts in this thread have been damn good. n/t Psephos Mar 2013 #42
There isn't enough in the Cypriot equivalent of the FDIC to pay back all deposits muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #47
"What is to stop this from being a precedent that our USA banksters will now use against us?" cstanleytech Mar 2013 #22
completely different scenario bossy22 Mar 2013 #27
And I am willing to bet the republicans are probably trying to outsource that to or cstanleytech Mar 2013 #28
not outsource it, but severely self restrict it bossy22 Mar 2013 #33
Now let me understand this BlueStreak Mar 2013 #34
it has nothing to do with transparency of our system bossy22 Mar 2013 #35
No, but this is a TAX, and Congress can do that BlueStreak Mar 2013 #38
Live webcast of Eurogroup press conf. Bosonic Mar 2013 #29
terrible result quadrature Mar 2013 #46
At some point, everybody would probaby be better off killing the Euro BlueStreak Mar 2013 #48
I agree with you on the Euro. amandabeech Mar 2013 #75
The concept worked until they realized "too big to fail" dominates BlueStreak Mar 2013 #77
I think that the Euro was helped by the fact that it was born during good times. amandabeech Mar 2013 #78
I agree about good times / bad times, but the fractures were there before 2008 BlueStreak Mar 2013 #82
Some details, and comment muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #49
Repercussions: new spike in real estate prices? mainer Mar 2013 #53
Perhaps, but real estate where? amandabeech Mar 2013 #76
Here's what I'm talking about: A "Game changer" is not a good thing BlueStreak Mar 2013 #65
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