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In reply to the discussion: Cyprus in last-ditch bid to agree bailout (40% haircut) [View all]OrwellwasRight
(5,315 posts)68. No, I am saying tax dodgers are tax dodgers.
Foreigners who park their money in Cyprus in order to avoid paying taxes in their home countries are tax dodgers. It is not a difficult concept.
From post #20, in which I respectfully disagreed with you, a favor you cannot apparently return:
You know, the wealthy always deny that they are so. Nevertheless, I largely agree that stock and bondholders should lose all before any depositors lose anything.
On the other hand, Cypriot banks have so many accounts with more than 100K in Euros for a simple reason: they are a tax haven. Russian mobsters park money there to avoid paying taxes to their own government. I am frankly not opposed to taxing tax dodgers. I think there is no principled stnad in defending tax dodgers.
So, maybe the answer is to let the stock and bondholders lose (yeah, as if the powers that be would let that happen) and then tax the deposits made by non-Cypriots in accounts over 100K Euros.
On the other hand, Cypriot banks have so many accounts with more than 100K in Euros for a simple reason: they are a tax haven. Russian mobsters park money there to avoid paying taxes to their own government. I am frankly not opposed to taxing tax dodgers. I think there is no principled stnad in defending tax dodgers.
So, maybe the answer is to let the stock and bondholders lose (yeah, as if the powers that be would let that happen) and then tax the deposits made by non-Cypriots in accounts over 100K Euros.
(emphasis added, original spelling not corrected)
Do not put words in my mouth. Read my posts instead. I proposed taxing large deposits by non-Cypriots, i.e., money launderers. Which is not "stealing money from people under the guise the "well some of the people were abusing the system"." If you think that taxing = stealing, you are perhaps in the wrong party. Most Democrats accept the fact that taxes are the price we pay to live in a civilized society (with a nod to Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes).
And to your point, this money has not been moved. There is plenty of tax-dodger money in Cyprus. Cyprus has enforced bank holidays since the crisis started (except for ATMs, which allow people who need their money to live to access it) to prevent the money moving offshore. And the U.S. is not a tax haven, we share information on deposits and depositors with the country of citizneship of depositors so that any taxes owed can be sought by those countries.
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The EU is just making us the rules as they go. And that is EXACTLY what happened here
BlueStreak
Mar 2013
#8
FDIC isn't for wrongdoing...it's just insurance for whatever reason the funds may not be there.
dkf
Mar 2013
#59
I think fomenting panic about an FDIC failure is irresponsible and baseless.
OrwellwasRight
Mar 2013
#81
Savers are not only paying for bad loans, but for bad bets (supposedly called investments)
amandabeech
Mar 2013
#72
And please recall that in the heat of the 2008 meltdown there was serious discussion
BlueStreak
Mar 2013
#52
There is some cushion in that the FDIC may obtain a loan from the Treasury.
amandabeech
Mar 2013
#73
Depositors should be paid in full. Stockholders and bondholders should take any required haircut,
mbperrin
Mar 2013
#9
Stockholders should get wiped out if things go bad. That's the meaning of risk and reward.
mbperrin
Mar 2013
#41
If the EU banksters didn't like tax havens, then they shouldn't have let Cyprus into the EU
BlueStreak
Mar 2013
#32
Using a tax haven is not necessarily the same thing as money laundering.
OrwellwasRight
Mar 2013
#57
Are you saying that everybody who had 120,000 euros on account is a tax dodger?
BlueStreak
Mar 2013
#66
While the bondholders should suffer before depositors, that may not help much
muriel_volestrangler
Mar 2013
#15
Euro zone finance ministers have approved the EU-IMF plan to resolve cypriot banks - EU official
dipsydoodle
Mar 2013
#24
THEN the lynchings should begin. This "softer" landing really only benefits those in charge.
mbperrin
Mar 2013
#21
There isn't enough in the Cypriot equivalent of the FDIC to pay back all deposits
muriel_volestrangler
Mar 2013
#47
"What is to stop this from being a precedent that our USA banksters will now use against us?"
cstanleytech
Mar 2013
#22
And I am willing to bet the republicans are probably trying to outsource that to or
cstanleytech
Mar 2013
#28
I think that the Euro was helped by the fact that it was born during good times.
amandabeech
Mar 2013
#78
I agree about good times / bad times, but the fractures were there before 2008
BlueStreak
Mar 2013
#82