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27. Mentally ill might not 'equal' legally insane

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 03:21 AM

Mar 2013

But every patient I have on my unit who has been found NGRI is severely mentally ill. A defendant has to have the capacity to understand that what he has done is wrong... most severely mentally ill people do not have that capacity.

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James Holmes offers guilty plea to avoid death penalty [View all] Blue_Tires Mar 2013 OP

Would this avoid a full trial? I'm not familiar with Colorado law. slackmaster Mar 2013 #1

It's up to the prosecution to accept, or they can reject and go for the DP Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #3

So he was willing to inflict death but doesn't want to receive it? SharonAnn Mar 2013 #2

No deal. Give him a fair trial then kill him. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #4

It's better for the relatives of the victims, and better for the taxpayers if he just pleads xtraxritical Mar 2013 #21

this seemed to me the inevitable outcome arely staircase Mar 2013 #5

well even before being arraigned Homes tried to "settle" for life with no parole Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #7

i can understand them not jumping at this notorious person's first offer arely staircase Mar 2013 #9

Is he even lucid at this point? /nt Ash_F Mar 2013 #6

Is there any reason to think that he is not lucid? HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #8

Well, for one thing a judge plead not guilty for him on his behalf. Ash_F Mar 2013 #10

Why assume I'm a smart ass? You do yourself a disservice HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #12

Then I guess you just didn't read the article before posting. Ash_F Mar 2013 #13

On one hand I am against the death penalty. alp227 Mar 2013 #11

Prosecutors should accept this plea offer. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #14

It also keeps the relatives of the victims from reliving the horror and xtraxritical Mar 2013 #22

Colorado is practically a death penality abolitionist state. joshcryer Mar 2013 #23

I am against the death penalty iandhr Mar 2013 #15

The fucking coward. Third Doctor Mar 2013 #16

Take the Plea. It's Pretty Well Known it Costs More to Give Someone the DP than Life w/o Parole dballance Mar 2013 #17

In the case of Nathan Dunlap, the entire process was reviewed, Tender to the Bone Mar 2013 #18

He's obviously mentally ill struggle4progress Mar 2013 #19

obvious to everyone. But even many liberals have thrown away rational behavioral science for Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #24

Take the deal. Seeking Serenity Mar 2013 #20

It's either take the deal or be found NGRI, most likely Samurai_Writer Mar 2013 #25

Why would he be found NGRI? LisaL Mar 2013 #26

Mentally ill might not 'equal' legally insane Samurai_Writer Mar 2013 #27

I have no idea as to what makes you think he didn't know right from wrong. LisaL Mar 2013 #28

Planning doesn't equal knowing right from wrong Samurai_Writer Mar 2013 #29

While I don't believe for one second he is legally insane. LisaL Mar 2013 #30

Even if found NGRI, he would never get out Samurai_Writer Mar 2013 #31

I've seen it happen one too many times to believe that. LisaL Mar 2013 #32

Can you cite even one case? Ash_F Mar 2013 #36

I'm pretty sure they could get an easy conviction without the deal Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #35

One condition: He submits to psychiatrists for study. Festivito Mar 2013 #33

Brilliant idea - it might help us figure how why Justice Mar 2013 #38

He doesn't want to die fine. Kalidurga Mar 2013 #34

Not killing him is a mistake. Lack of consequences will just encourage others to do the same thing bubbayugga Mar 2013 #37

The death penalty would be too good for this guy. Arkana Mar 2013 #39

I understand and sympathize that the victims want a trial for the purpose of justice.... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #40