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68. "it's not just the deniers, either, by the way"

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 08:04 PM

Mar 2013

I'm merely correcting your falsehoods.

Your OP accuses people who have a cynical view of climate change of "twisting, misinterpreting, lack of understanding, willful ignorance, laziness, and/or even outright bullshitting."

Yet all they do is look at the data and see that it is not a rosy picture as you pretend.

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Climate change models predict remarkably accurate results [View all] AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 OP

calling out is not good NMDemDist2 Mar 2013 #1

I just wanted to provide a real example of what's happening, and nothing else. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #6

Climate change science is reliable daleo Mar 2013 #2

Very true. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #8

is "doomers" your favorite word? CreekDog Mar 2013 #3

Only one near term feedback contributes significantly to temperature change. joshcryer Mar 2013 #19

K&R SunSeeker Mar 2013 #4

Thanks, SunSeeker. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #7

I feel it's important to get the facts out. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #13

You're welcome, and I do my best. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #25

What was wrong with that source? caseymoz Mar 2013 #5

What gets ignored is the AGGI Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2013 #9

Thanks for the link, Benton. n/t AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #11

NP. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2013 #12

There's more to it than that. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #10

So you post an article about global warming to camouflage your attack on environmentalists? CreekDog Mar 2013 #37

I think you're getting a little delusional, my friend, and all I can say is..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #38

Except that the large feedback loops are just now kicking in NickB79 Mar 2013 #14

The article doesn't even talk about feedbacks. joshcryer Mar 2013 #18

Good point. It seems like 1C is the new 2C NickB79 Mar 2013 #21

Nah, not really. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #23

Outside of what's going on in the Arctic? NickB79 Mar 2013 #26

You do realize I never actually implied what you think I did, right? AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #27

Like joshcryer pointed out, the temperature estimates were fairly accurate NickB79 Mar 2013 #29

"Completely missed?" AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #30

Um, "accurate, outside the rate melting of the Arctic ice caps." joshcryer Mar 2013 #40

There may be a reason for the clathrate problem, however: AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #53

I made no mention of the clathrate gun. joshcryer Mar 2013 #59

Some cases? Name one where the outlook is positive. joshcryer Mar 2013 #39

To be frank, Either you don't know where to look, or you don't even want to try. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #44

Both of those are links to warming predictions. joshcryer Mar 2013 #48

Nice try. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #51

It doesn't. joshcryer Mar 2013 #58

..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #22

Again, outside of the Arctic? NickB79 Mar 2013 #28

I used to think 2016 myself. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #31

2011-2012, you mean. joshcryer Mar 2013 #41

No, 2016 was the date that I thought we'd see our first ice-free day. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #42

You said volume has "gone back to 2011 levels." joshcryer Mar 2013 #49

Maybe they were bad years, but it doesn't really change anything. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #52

It certainly changes your implication. joshcryer Mar 2013 #57

Even though the PIOMAS graph data clearly backs up the latter. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #64

Ice area is not the same as volume, and you know it. joshcryer Mar 2013 #67

You continue to lie & take me out of context, as usual. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #70

You falsely used a PIOMAS graph. joshcryer Mar 2013 #74

I didn't do that and you know it. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #76

You acted as if the ice volume recovered. joshcryer Mar 2013 #77

You took me out of context, once again(as is typical). AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #80

Contrarians are the 'show me' crowd. They'll believe it when they see it lunatica Mar 2013 #15

It's not just them.....n/t AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #24

Climate change isn't just temperature. joshcryer Mar 2013 #16

Okay, but I never said or implied that it WAS the only factor. n/t AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #46

"IPCC has proven to be largely correct" joshcryer Mar 2013 #47

It was also correct in most other areas, too. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #50

AR4 didn't even consider sea level rise from melt. joshcryer Mar 2013 #55

What I've said still stands. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #56

That's just false, though, what you said is false. joshcryer Mar 2013 #60

The IPCC is not a regional weather forecasting system muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #62

Very true. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #65

This is incorrect, it is affecting Russia, China, the United States, and Europe. joshcryer Mar 2013 #66

Sorry, but Muriel is likely right; none of them are connected to one another, as far as can be seen. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #69

No, they're connected to climate change. joshcryer Mar 2013 #72

"Minimizing"? AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #63

"it's not just the deniers, either, by the way" joshcryer Mar 2013 #68

"Rosy picture"? GTFO! AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #71

You call me a contrarian and I merely post facts. joshcryer Mar 2013 #73

It's the other way around, actually. Your notions don't fit with my facts. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #75

You don't post facts. joshcryer Mar 2013 #78

You don't know that for sure.....neither of us does. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #79

In 3 or 4 years, we'll see who's right. joshcryer Mar 2013 #81

..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #82

I don't think it's inevitable, either. Just likely. joshcryer Mar 2013 #83

Some others WOULD go that far, though. n/t AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #84

The Deniers PolitFreak Mar 2013 #17

I don't doubt climate change or that we are part of the cause, but ... bemildred Mar 2013 #20

Well..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #32

I stand by what I said. bemildred Mar 2013 #35

You may have a point. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #54

Thank you. bemildred Mar 2013 #61

You make a powerful observation. sofa king Mar 2013 #33

Thanks. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #34

Yeah, they're a mess. sofa king Mar 2013 #36

misleading pack of lies quadrature Mar 2013 #43

Erm....what? n/t AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #45