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152. Stop trying to change the subject. No one said they were training EVERYONE.

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 07:50 PM

Mar 2013

In fact, someone in this thread discussed how CA opted out of their nefarious influence.

Nice attempt at deflection, but no sale.

The "kickback"--if you'd read what I wrote and the Forbes link I provided (and you aren't doing that, plainly, making this exercise an enormous waste of my time) is the demographic information they receive from every new certificate holder, member, and/or donor to their political arm. That information is worth a great deal of money. It is a saleable commodity, and they sell it, over and over again. It's a key piece of how they stay afloat--they sell your personal details, and you PAY them for the "favor!"

Do you seriously think they can bribe/threaten politicians AND pay their leadership a million dollars a pop on membership fees and frantic "They're gunna take yer guns" pleas for donations alone? Please.

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NRA: No �Member Relationship� With Adam Or Nancy Lanza [View all] DonViejo Mar 2013 OP

Well that got their attention in a fat ass hurry didn't it. Interesting. MichiganVote Mar 2013 #1

None of that is surprising and seems reasonable ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #2

I believe you are correct. However... Tempest Mar 2013 #9

How so? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #10

Right, I for one 'taught' riflery elleng Mar 2013 #16

Just proves there are lots of non-members who support the NRA and their love of guns (and death). Hoyt Mar 2013 #62

No, it means they took a shooting class, In CT that appears to be required by law. ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #63

It means the NRA bribed the folks who wrote the law. Your support of NRA is noted. Hoyt Mar 2013 #95

Actually the NRA opposes mandatory training ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #99

Somehow, I don't think Wayne LaPierre, et al, care about good training. Hoyt Mar 2013 #101

I think if you really cared you would start your own competitive training program ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #115

That would entail planning and effort. Complaining about the NRA is far easier. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #183

They seem to spend a shitload of money on something you claim they don't care about jmowreader Mar 2013 #160

Yeah, so they can claim they do "good." They just want to train new folks to buy more guns. Hoyt Mar 2013 #172

no, they care about selling guns & assault weapons wordpix Mar 2013 #182

The NRA bribed the CT lawmakers? premium Mar 2013 #107

Hoyt doesn't provide links or primary sources. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #184

That's probably why he didn't get back to me. premium Mar 2013 #185

Think of it as a sort of evangelism- You're supposed to take it on faith and not ask questions. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #186

Go checkout campaign contributions to CT lawmakers. Hoyt Mar 2013 #187

You're the one making the accusations, premium Mar 2013 #188

What it shows is how the NRA inflates its membership numbers curlyred Mar 2013 #82

Well it's good to know Adam Lanza was NRA-certified Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #190

It does mean that the mother was following the law ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #191

Good to know Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #192

Liars. nt onehandle Mar 2013 #3

Probably not... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #7

How many folks are official members of Republican Party, verses those who support their vile agenda? Hoyt Mar 2013 #64

So you think there is a stealth NRA that is much larger than the 4M members acknowledged ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #66

Looks like the NRA is the gatekeeper for some states' pistol ownership. Paladin Mar 2013 #74

Not really, its actually it a state imposed training requirement ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #75

Most other activities that have a reasonable chance of a fatality require training. grantcart Mar 2013 #122

And I support the required training while the NRA does not ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #124

Universal state requirements for training would probably be the most effective grantcart Mar 2013 #146

and imagine if the UAW sponsored driver training DBoon Mar 2013 #163

The local range here wont let any one shoot without an NRA cert davepc Mar 2013 #4

Training certificate or membership? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #8

What is an NRA certificate? Elvin Ives Mar 2013 #14

A piece of paper saying you sucesfully completed a training course. davepc Mar 2013 #17

It's the paper you sign with the devil right before they steal your soul. Remmah2 Mar 2013 #26

There would be one way to find out davidpdx Mar 2013 #19

I wonder how long it took NRA to purge their records of the Lanza name. Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #5

There is a way for the police to determine that ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #83

A NRA Member doesn't have to receive these magazines to be a member. nt rdharma Mar 2013 #178

Not long in the purging but if these NRA heads believe in Iliyah Mar 2013 #6

NRA certificate required in ohio to get a hockeynut57 Mar 2013 #11

CT requires a NRA training course to buy a handgun. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #23

Past time to change that aspect of laws. Why should government sanction callousness and bigotry? n/t Hoyt Mar 2013 #65

To get or carry a gun, one should have to see photos of people maimed by guns . . . . . . Hoyt Mar 2013 #67

I guess I qualify then atreides1 Mar 2013 #80

If I wanted to buy a gun, premium Mar 2013 #108

Because one supports the industry and carry/accumulate guns in our society. Hoyt Mar 2013 #131

What an epic fail of an answer. premium Mar 2013 #133

Enjoy your guns and the comfort they bring you. Hoyt Mar 2013 #135

Another epic fail. premium Mar 2013 #136

The government requires training, which is according to many, a very good thing ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #68

That needs to change. Why should someone steeped in guns train people on safety? Hoyt Mar 2013 #73

Because they know more about it than those who advocate cans of beans for self defense? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #79

NRA is a right wing organization, and not just with respect to guns. Saw Grover Norquist shilling Hoyt Mar 2013 #89

Then counter it by providing alternative training material ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #96

I'm not into training people to shoot others. Hoyt Mar 2013 #100

I already teach firearms and have no desire to take it nationally ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #116

Jesus.. where is that delete button on my keyboard?????? defacto7 Mar 2013 #12

Pay no attention to that certificate behind the curtain. n/t Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #13

Every gun owner in CT has a NRA certificate hack89 Mar 2013 #24

What is the purpose of the NRA training course? Is it to show you how to use a gun safely? Squinch Mar 2013 #29

It is hard to imagine that any safety training is a waste of time. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #36

Clearly this was. Squinch Mar 2013 #41

Are you suggesting there be no training requirement at all? nt hack89 Mar 2013 #42

I'm stating that this training requirement was obviously not effective in Squinch Mar 2013 #43

The training is to ensure you can handle a gun with no accidents hack89 Mar 2013 #44

So by that logic you must think drivers ed is a complete waste of time, eh? pipoman Mar 2013 #53

If there were a spate of incidents of people driving into schools and running over schoolchildren, Squinch Mar 2013 #59

What is a spate? pipoman Mar 2013 #61

500 child pedestrians killed by cars annually?? Wow! I'm going to get to work Squinch Apr 2013 #189

Yet they have no association with the NRA at all Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #45

If the state says you have to have an NRA certificate hack89 Mar 2013 #46

If the NRA was simply concerned with safe gun handling, it'd be one thing. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #49

Who else is doing safe gun handling education? pipoman Mar 2013 #51

CT has an AWB and gun registration for assault weapons hack89 Mar 2013 #86

Does "handgun" encompass all guns Progressive dog Mar 2013 #77

You are right - just handguns hack89 Mar 2013 #84

Actually it doesn't "require" an NRA course, but the NRA was successful in getting their name into Hoyt Mar 2013 #90

Did you read the CT law? It is in black and white as a requirement to buy a handgun. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #91

Read a bit closer, it says the equivalent of an NRA course. Hoyt Mar 2013 #93

Who else is doing training? What materials are they using? pipoman Mar 2013 #180

I appreciate your love of the NRA/guns, but they have bribed legislators and created a monopoly. Hoyt Mar 2013 #181

"You are known by the company you keep" was drilled into my head growing up. CTyankee Mar 2013 #15

Well, there's some kind of relationship--unless they hand out certificates like candy MADem Mar 2013 #18

You take a class, you get the cert. davepc Mar 2013 #20

And once you've taken the course, the NRA says you know how to be safe with a gun. Snort. Squinch Mar 2013 #30

NO then they suck your soul. Remmah2 Mar 2013 #33

The NRA's recent statements seem pretty soulless, soooo....... Squinch Mar 2013 #34

What an odd "church-state" relationship. Inappropriate, if you ask me. MADem Mar 2013 #37

+1 Gormy Cuss Mar 2013 #40

And have the state cut the budget for such training courses as a means to restrict pistol licenses? X_Digger Mar 2013 #55

Ahhh....so the answer is to let the gun lobbyists run the show! MADem Mar 2013 #56

Guess who trains and certifies the most police officers? X_Digger Mar 2013 #57

They're not doing a terribly good job, then, are they? MADem Mar 2013 #58

By that same logic, is driver's ed failing because we still have auto crashes? X_Digger Mar 2013 #92

We don't hire Ford's or Toyota's lobbyists to teach driver's ed. nt MADem Mar 2013 #103

And the NRA does not teach state mandated gun safety classes ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #119

Yes, they do. NRA members teach the classes and send the names of the participants to the HQ. nt MADem Mar 2013 #127

And you know this how? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #142

We are TALKING about NRA certified instructors. Try to keep up. MADem Mar 2013 #144

And the NRA doesn't *actually* train most people. X_Digger Mar 2013 #123

Pull the string. MADem Mar 2013 #126

They train the trainers, yes. X_Digger Mar 2013 #132

Yes, they DO send "kickbacks" in the form of new member lists. MADem Mar 2013 #137

You're confusing the LEO program and everything else. X_Digger Mar 2013 #147

I am not "confusing" a doggone thing. Step back, just a bit, and watch the money flow. MADem Mar 2013 #149

Nice rant, but you still haven't supported your assertion that the NRA is training everyone.. X_Digger Mar 2013 #150

Stop trying to change the subject. No one said they were training EVERYONE. MADem Mar 2013 #152

*cough* X_Digger Mar 2013 #153

"Cough--choke"--no one said they teach EVERY class in every locality. MADem Mar 2013 #156

You've repeated it more than once, before you were shown to be wrong. X_Digger Mar 2013 #157

Grasp that straw firmly, now! MADem Mar 2013 #162

I *encourage* folks to read you repeatedly saying things that are incorrect. X_Digger Mar 2013 #165

You're the one who needs to educate yourself, and you've made that abundantly clear in this MADem Mar 2013 #166

My bias is for reality, not hyperbolic hand-wringing. X_Digger Mar 2013 #167

No, your bias is towards the fiction that the NRA is a benevolent organization that cares about you. MADem Mar 2013 #169

You can take your fingers out of my mouth, I've no idea where they've been. X_Digger Mar 2013 #173

I don't know or care where you have your "fingers" but that's no concern of mine. MADem Mar 2013 #175

Well, you were happy to try to stuff words in my mouth. n/t X_Digger Mar 2013 #176

The NRA started as a training and competition organization ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #81

"You just don't see it on MSNBC. " rdharma Mar 2013 #88

I fully agree with that ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #98

The lion's share of the NRA's revenue goes to the political action branch..... rdharma Mar 2013 #104

Dues or political contributions ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #109

"If it's dues, report them to the IRS." rdharma Mar 2013 #148

The one that restricts tax exempt organizations from being involved in political campaigns. Clames Mar 2013 #154

So why aren't NRA membership dues tax deductible? rdharma Mar 2013 #158

I know why the NRA dues aren't tax deductible. Clames Mar 2013 #159

"I also (k)now that membership dues aren't used for political lobbying" rdharma Mar 2013 #161

Because the part of the organization those dues go to... Clames Mar 2013 #164

"does not meet the criteria to be tax exempt" rdharma Mar 2013 #168

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #174

You sure are naive about who controls a PAC - the mother organization, NRA in this case. Hoyt Mar 2013 #171

No one is stepping up because states have pretty much given NRA monopoly to spread their propaganda Hoyt Mar 2013 #94

No one is stepping up due to the cost, not because states have capitulated ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #97

States, and pro-gunners, have given monopoly power to NRA. Hoyt Mar 2013 #102

Nonsense Its not a black letter monopoly and many gun owners are not NRA members. Create your own ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #110

Supposedly Lanza & his mom weren't members either. Yet they subscribed to NRA's right wing BS. Hoyt Mar 2013 #130

I honestly don't care if they started as a sewing club. MADem Mar 2013 #105

The training side provides the best stuff out there and no one else is stepping up. ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #113

No one else is stepping up because the NRA pays people to maintain the monopoly. MADem Mar 2013 #129

"No one is stepping up to do it." Perhaps that is the FIRST step towards getting a divorce from MADem Mar 2013 #112

Start with your legislature then and have them drop the requirement. ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #114

No one is suggesting that the requirement be dropped--that is a strawman you keep shopping. MADem Mar 2013 #139

The NRA controls the MA legislature? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #140

Now youre pretending you don't know how their "Political Victory Fund" controls and MADem Mar 2013 #145

If the state "requires by law" that someone take a class, MADem Mar 2013 #111

Generally the states approve the content and the NRA does not know who took the classes ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #117

Oh, horseshit. The state has abdicated their duty. MADem Mar 2013 #125

No �Member Relationship' sounds like lawyer talk tblue Mar 2013 #21

Like anyone thinks the NRA is a functional enough organization to keep records... Evasporque Mar 2013 #22

The NRA has a huge infrastructure devoted to training and records ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #69

What kind of college degree do printing majors get? Remmah2 Mar 2013 #25

I wonder why Nitram Mar 2013 #27

I wonder why the NRA isn't horrified that they issued a certificate of competence to Adam Lanza. Squinch Mar 2013 #31

NRA did not issue it ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #70

A lot of police departments have NRA based training. Remmah2 Mar 2013 #32

Why does the state "deputize" the NRA to do their work for them? MADem Mar 2013 #38

The issue is the state requirement for training, which is an overall good thing ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #72

I feel you have a point there... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #78

"The state" needs to "step up." MADem Mar 2013 #106

They have...they certify curricula taught my local instructors ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #121

I don't think the states should provide the training for free. MADem Mar 2013 #138

You continue to ignore that the NRA does not do the training, does not get paid for the training, & ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #141

You continue to ignore that the NRA does do the training, MADem Mar 2013 #143

It is the same in Mass Marrah_G Mar 2013 #48

Terrorist training camps and manuals right here in America... Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #28

It is state required training ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #87

Whether he was or not... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #35

"Don't believe what the certificate on our letterhead says, believe what we tell you" Myrina Mar 2013 #39

In the state of MA the handgun safety certificate required is an NRA course Marrah_G Mar 2013 #47

What was the "indoctrination" level in the course you took? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #85

How about privacy? Why should the NRA have ready access to a mailing list by teaching a class? MADem Mar 2013 #118

NRA does not teach the classes and does not have access to attendee rosters ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #120

NRA does teach the classes. They train the instructors, who are card-carrying NRA members. MADem Mar 2013 #134

Funny, you have been lobbying for guns ever since you began posting in gungeon. Hoyt Mar 2013 #177

"The Lanzas swallowed our propaganda but never gave us any money!" struggle4progress Mar 2013 #50

Privatizing the profits, outsourcing the liabilities. n/t Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #52

! struggle4progress Mar 2013 #54

Of course not. AngryOldDem Mar 2013 #60

Of course not. moondust Mar 2013 #71

The NRA loved having their name on those certificates until they didn't. n/t Little Star Mar 2013 #76

A name on an NRA certificate is a name MADem Mar 2013 #151

Good point. n/t Little Star Mar 2013 #155

Why would it make any difference if either of them were members? hatrack Mar 2013 #128

"wouldn't the NRA be standing proud behind the constitutional rights of this mass murderer?" rdharma Mar 2013 #170

Move along nothing to see here!!!!! Initech Mar 2013 #179