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AngryOldDem

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52. So who made him God?

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 06:56 PM

Mar 2013

This is my BIGGEST bitch about the Catholic Church: It thinks it has the God-given right to tell others how to live, and somehow believes it is the sole arbiter of God's grace and mercy.

And, Cardinal, maybe your teachings are "challenged" because you just can't logically defend them anymore.

Using children as virtual human shields in this debate is bullshit. I really liked Justice Kagan's questions last week about an older couple marrying -- they can't possibly conceive. So should they be allowed to marry?

The argument needs to be reframed in terms of civil rights. Let churches do whatever the hell they want. But they don't have a say in who should get legal status.

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New York's Cardinal Dolan says gay people are 'entitled to friendship' only [View all] Redfairen Mar 2013 OP

And the Catholic Church should no longer be allowed tax exempt status, but still have our friendship still_one Mar 2013 #1

I have a feeling the new Pope, will be clamping down on such militant statements. Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #78

Because the Catholic Church OPPOSES cuts in Domestic Spending? They Defend labor rights? happyslug Apr 2013 #83

Homophobia is a mental illness. nt Maven Mar 2013 #2

That's their argument too, you'll have to do better than that. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #57

you seem to imply that both arguments are equally valid. Maven Apr 2013 #59

Meh xtraxritical Apr 2013 #81

The cardinal and his followers are entitled to their opinion question everything Mar 2013 #3

Yes, because God is cruel and sadistic. closeupready Mar 2013 #4

What a cold-hearted jackass. baldguy Mar 2013 #5

I'll tell you when we might want to start to listen to him dsc Mar 2013 #6

SO.... phylny Mar 2013 #7

Also men who have had vasectomies and women who have had their tubes tied. kestrel91316 Mar 2013 #28

And my husband, who had a prostatectomy due to prostate cancer phylny Mar 2013 #31

Well no, because Abraham's wife Sarah got pregnant in her nineties. LeftyMom Apr 2013 #61

Bingo... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #64

but.. but.. the pope washed a muslim girl's feet! Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #8

And when it comes to little boys, Catholic priests definitely aren't entitled to fondle them. olddad56 Mar 2013 #9

I don't need any more friends, thank you. 6000eliot Mar 2013 #10

I don't agree with the Caridinal.... musical_soul Mar 2013 #14

Payoffs to accused abusers when he was bishop of Milwaukee? Retrograde Mar 2013 #19

Well..... musical_soul Mar 2013 #36

And thanks for the link. musical_soul Mar 2013 #37

Who's fault is that? Has the church EVER taken responsibility for the coverup or even the problem? 6000eliot Mar 2013 #55

The problem isn't one post. musical_soul Apr 2013 #60

And everyone is entitled to be safe in their person, and to the belief that God loves them. . . Journeyman Mar 2013 #11

And am I entitled to "friendship" with altar boys and acolytes too, father? Rowdyboy Mar 2013 #12

Are gays entitled to healthcare? musical_soul Mar 2013 #13

What a piece of shit Dolan is, his Church institutionally guilty of crimes so great he should Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #15

Dolan is entitled Liberalagogo Mar 2013 #16

see, here's my thing... Volaris Mar 2013 #17

ROFLMAO! SoapBox Mar 2013 #18

MR. Dolan VA_Jill Mar 2013 #20

So much anti-Catholic bigotry in this thread! ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #21

So relieved: Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2013 #22

.... idwiyo Mar 2013 #26

roflmao SummerSnow Mar 2013 #45

Oh shit, that is great. nt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #66

Lol. ronnie624 Apr 2013 #69

Dolan is entitled to his opinion Mz Pip Mar 2013 #23

+ 10,000 SoapBox Mar 2013 #32

Just your another run of the mill bigot and his spew. idwiyo Mar 2013 #24

Is there a difference between a bigot... Orsino Apr 2013 #85

No, don't see any difference. idwiyo Apr 2013 #86

Would be hard to see, certainly... Orsino Apr 2013 #87

You mean some of them are not bigots but they behave like they are because everyone else does idwiyo Apr 2013 #88

I mean that there are some weak-minded individuals who will follow a pack. Orsino Apr 2013 #91

Civil unions for ALL; wedding ceremonies left up to individual clergy Hekate Mar 2013 #25

That's all backwards because the clergy is already optional icing on the wedding cake. Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #41

Exacly skepticscott Mar 2013 #46

That is my point. Just make it explicit. Hekate Mar 2013 #54

You aren't entitled to dictate civil rights in the US, my dear Mr. Dolan. So STFU. kestrel91316 Mar 2013 #27

Why do people listen to these assholes at all? They just enablers for these clowns. nt valerief Mar 2013 #29

Fuck Cardinal Dolan, his fucking Boss, and his fucking Church. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #30

It is disappointing to hear and see such disdain for another himan, it is like saying God Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #33

Oh, so "god told us" that! bhikkhu Mar 2013 #34

Just another example of the Catholic Church leadership endorsing bigotry Major Nikon Mar 2013 #35

I call it oppression askeptic Apr 2013 #84

As abhorrent as this sounds at first glance, it is also a crack in the armor. randome Mar 2013 #38

His approval is neither desired or required. Politicub Mar 2013 #44

Timothy Dolan is a Romanist. He is entitled to his opinion. Dawson Leery Mar 2013 #39

LOL Skittles Mar 2013 #40

I agree, Skittles. nt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #67

I cannot believe they demand RESPECT for this crap Skittles Apr 2013 #68

Poor, persecuted Christians. nt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #70

What an asshole Politicub Mar 2013 #42

So Mr.Dolan... SummerSnow Mar 2013 #43

Long prison sentences. SwankyXomb Mar 2013 #49

Gee, maybe they can set that rule for priests and altar boys. name not needed Mar 2013 #47

Dolan and the Catholic Church are not impressed with science and evidence..... Swede Atlanta Mar 2013 #48

The only thing I grasp is I never made some decision to be heterosexual. I just am. olegramps Apr 2013 #80

Haters gonna hate. blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #50

Entitled to friendship? O.o sakabatou Mar 2013 #51

So who made him God? AngryOldDem Mar 2013 #52

It never ceases to amaze me how arrogant these LuvNewcastle Mar 2013 #53

The only thing he's entitled to is me giving him the finger along with a big jerseyjack Mar 2013 #56

you hear that, gay folk? Skittles Mar 2013 #58

And I say the good cardinal... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #62

Oh, and I am recommending this... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #63

The last paragraph of the OP olddots Apr 2013 #65

It's pure gibberish. ronnie624 Apr 2013 #71

Coming from a representative of a religion whose primary written guide truthisfreedom Apr 2013 #72

He's entitled to STFU Fearless Apr 2013 #73

I think he's looking for "civility" not "friendship." n/t BadgerKid Apr 2013 #74

How many more people than 6 billion does God want? BadgerKid Apr 2013 #75

The Washington Post quotes Dolan saying"its defense of marriage is not reduced to an attack on gays" happyslug Apr 2013 #76

Nonsense. Indefensible it is. AND internally contradictory. closeupready Apr 2013 #79

How is it indefensible? happyslug Apr 2013 #82

So basically, his position is only defensible if we lived in a Catholic theocracy... Humanist_Activist Apr 2013 #93

No its not defensible... Humanist_Activist Apr 2013 #92

Why is the church lousy at defending the institution of marriage? Old and In the Way Apr 2013 #77

He won't even do... Orsino Apr 2013 #89

several gay catholic teens just committed suicide TIm....nt Evasporque Apr 2013 #90

Well...at least he acknowledges their right to exist, right? Ash_F Apr 2013 #94