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happyslug

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147. She died in a dispute between the Bishop of Alexandria AND the Governor of Alexandria
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:25 AM
Apr 2013

The Bishop and Governor of Alexandria (both Christians, as was the Emperor) had fallen into some sort of dispute. This dispute turn violent, even before Hypatia appears in the dispute. It appears she was an ally of the Governor, when the majority of the people supported the Bishop. This alliance seems to be the reason for her death. Peter a "Reader" of the local Church, who believed it was the counsel of Hypatia that prevented the Governor from re-conciliating with the Bishop, lead the mob against Hypatia and killed her. Please note the Christian writer of the incident call this Peter a fanatic, whose action was Anti-Christian. There is a later account, that is different, but it is more an attack on Hypatia then a reporting of the incident. This later report MAY be based on first hand reports we no longer have, but is generally given less weight then the Earlier report of the incident.

For more see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia

Ecclesiastical History, Socrates Scholasticus[26]
Orestes, the governor of Alexandria, and Cyril, the Bishop of Alexandria, found themselves in a bitter feud in which Hypatia would come to be one of the main points of contention. The feud, which took place in 415 AD, began over the matter of Jewish dancing exhibitions in Alexandria. Since these exhibitions attracted large crowds and were commonly prone to civil disorder of varying degrees, Orestes published an edict which outlined new regulations for such gatherings and posted it in the city's theater. Soon after, crowds gathered to read the edict, angry over the new regulations that had been imposed upon them. At one such gathering, Hierax, a Christian and devout follower of Cyril, read the edict and applauded the new regulations, which many people felt was an attempt to incite the crowd into sedition. In what Scholasticus suspected as Orestes' "…jealousy [of] the growing power of the bishops…[which] encroached on the jurisdiction of the authorities…", Orestes immediately ordered Hierax to be seized and publicly tortured in the theater.
Upon hearing of this, Cyril threatened the Jews of Alexandria with "the utmost severities" if harassment of Christians was not ceased at once. In response, the Jews of Alexandria grew only more furious over Cyril's threat, and in their anger they eventually resorted to violence against the Christians. They plotted to flush the Christians out at night by running through the streets, claiming that the Church of Alexander was on fire. When the Christians responded to what they were led to believe was the burning down of their church, "the Jews immediately fell upon and slew them", using rings to recognize one another in the dark, while killing everyone else in sight. When the morning came, the Jews of Alexandria could not hide their guilt, and Cyril, along with many of his followers, took to the city’s synagogues in search of the perpetrators of the night's massacre.
After Cyril found all of the Jews in Alexandria, he ordered them to be stripped of all their possessions, banished them from Alexandria, and allowed the remaining citizens to pillage the goods they left behind. With Cyril's banishment of the Jews, "Orestes [...] was filled with great indignation at these transactions, and was excessively grieved that a city of such magnitude should have been suddenly bereft of so large a portion of its population…". Because of this, the feud between Cyril and Orestes only grew stronger, and both men wrote to the emperor regarding the situation. Eventually, Cyril attempted to reach out to Orestes through several peace overtures, including attempted mediation and, when that failed, showed him the Gospels. Nevertheless, Orestes remained unmoved by such gestures.
Meanwhile, approximately 500 monks, who resided in the mountains of Nitria, and were "of a very fiery disposition", heard of the ongoing feud between the Governor and Bishop, and shortly thereafter descended into Alexandria, armed and prepared to fight alongside Cyril. Upon their arrival in Alexandria, the monks quickly intercepted Orestes' chariot in town and proceeded to bombard and harass him, calling him a pagan idolater. In response to such allegations, Orestes countered that he was actually a Christian, and had even been baptized by Atticus, the Bishop of Constantinople. The monks paid little attention to Orestes’ claims of Christianity, and one of the monks, by the name of Ammonius, struck Orestes in the head with a rock, which caused him to bleed profusely. At this point, Orestes’ guards fled for fear of their lives, but a nearby crowd of Alexandrians came to his aid, and Ammonius was subsequently secured and ordered to be tortured for his actions. Upon excessive torture, Ammonius died. Following the death of Ammonius, Cyril ordered that he henceforth be remembered as a martyr. Such a proclamation did not sit well with "sober-minded" Christians, as Scholasticus pointed out, seeing that he "suffered the punishment due to his rashness…[not because] he would not deny Christ", and this fact, according to Scholasticus, became more apparent to Cyril through general lack of enthusiasm for Ammonius's case for martyrdom.
Scholasticus then introduces Hypatia, the female philosopher of Alexandria and woman who would become a target of the Christian anger that grew over the feud. Daughter of Theon, and a teacher trained in the philosophical schools of Plato and Plotinus, she was admired by most men for her dignity and virtue. Of the anger she provoked among Christians, Scholasticus writes, Hypatia ultimately fell "victim to the political jealousy which at the time prevailed" - Orestes was known to seek her counsel, and a rumor spread among the Christian community of Alexandria in which she was blamed for his unwillingness to reconcile with Cyril. Therefore, a mob of Christians gathered, led by a reader (i.e. a minor cleric) named Peter whom Scholasticus calls a fanatic. They kidnapped Hypatia on her way home and took her to the "Church called Caesareum. They then completely stripped her, and then murdered her with tiles". Socrates Scholasticus was hence interpreted as saying that, while she was still alive, Hypatia's flesh was torn off using oyster shells (tiles; the Greek word is ostrakois, which literally means "oystershells" but the word was also used for brick tiles on the roofs of houses and for pottery sherds). Afterward, the men proceeded to mutilate her, and finally burn her limbs. When news broke of Hypatia's murder, it provoked great public denouncement, not only against Cyril, but against the whole Alexandrian Christian community. Scholasticus closes with a lament: "Surely nothing can be farther from the spirit of Christianity than the allowance of massacres, fights, and transactions of that sort".


Here is a translation of the Actual report by
http://cosmopolis.com/alexandria/hypatia-bio-socrates.html
http://www.cosmopolis.com/alexandria/hypatia-bio-socrates.html

THERE WAS a woman at Alexandria named Hypatia, daughter of the philosopher Theon, who made such attainments in literature and science, as to far surpass all the philosophers of her own time. Having succeeded to the school of Plato and Plotinus, she explained the principles of philosophy to her auditors, many of whom came from a distance to receive her instructions. On account of the self-possession and ease of manner, which she had acquired in consequence of the cultivation of her mind, she not unfrequently appeared in public in presence of the magistrates. Neither did she feel abashed in going to an assembly of men. For all men on account of her extraordinary dignity and virtue admired her the more. Yet even she fell victim to the political jealousy which at that time prevailed. For as she had frequent interviews with Orestes, it was calumniously reported among the Christian populace, that it was she who prevented Orestes from being reconciled to the bishop. Some of them, therefore, hurried away by a fierce and bigoted zeal, whose ringleader was a reader named Peter, waylaid her returning home, and dragging her from her carriage, they took her to the church called Caesareum, where they completely stripped her, and then murdered her with tiles.* After tearing her body in pieces, they took her mangled limbs to a place called Cinaron, and there burnt them. This affair brought not the least opprobrium, not only upon Cyril, but also upon the whole Alexandrian church. And surely nothing can be farther from the spirit of Christianity than the allowance of massacres, fights, and transactions of that sort. This happened in the month of March during Lent, in the fourth year of Cyril's episcopate, under the tenth consulate of Honorius, and the sixth of Theodosius.


Here is a report of her in Isadore of Damascus, please note this is from the Suda of Constantinople, a 10th Century encyclopedia NOT a first hand or even second hand account, but one made 500 years after the event:
http://www.cosmopolis.com/alexandria/hypatia-bio-suda.html

http://www.stoa.org/sol-bin/search.pl?db=REAL&search_method=QUERY&login=guest&enlogin=guest&user_list=LIST&page_num=1&searchstr=hypatia&field=any&num_per_page=100

The Suda itself, if you want to read a 10th Century encyclopedia:
http://www.stoa.org/sol/

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He has only one lung - No Vested Interest Apr 2013 #162
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I did not know that! I am going to google. merrily Mar 2013 #120
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No problem............... Beacool Mar 2013 #109
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Thanks for the name of the place. Is there a shorter name for the official residence? freshwest Mar 2013 #145
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OMG, he washed feet attached to VAGINAS? OK, I'm sorta impressed. n/t TygrBright Mar 2013 #11
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Don't feel bad. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #21
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That is seriously touching my heart. Hekate Mar 2013 #22
Foot fetishist. nt OnyxCollie Mar 2013 #23
Rec. n/t AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #47
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I'm sure he has caraher Mar 2013 #63
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If the pope is going to wash your feet... jberryhill Mar 2013 #31
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The pedi would be out of the question. Beacool Mar 2013 #73
Maybe not. I remember reading that the other prisoners pnwmom Mar 2013 #74
Ewwwwww.............. Beacool Mar 2013 #97
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I so appreciate the thought and effort that went into this post Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #136
Yes, please post this as an OP in Interfaith okasha Mar 2013 #146
She died in a dispute between the Bishop of Alexandria AND the Governor of Alexandria happyslug Apr 2013 #147
maybe he`ll bring the church into the modern world.... madrchsod Mar 2013 #36
I'm starting to like this guy... davidthegnome Mar 2013 #38
Let that muhfugga start giving away the church treasures tabasco Mar 2013 #40
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Please let this herald significant reform. n/t Orsino Mar 2013 #45
He seems so kind and compassionate, and much more involved with actual polly7 Mar 2013 #49
This is good. He's living up to Jesus' instruction: "He who would be first, Aristus Mar 2013 #50
BFD.... sell off the churches land and loot and give it to the poor then I'll be impressed. bowens43 Mar 2013 #53
To be fair, all Christan churches, not just the Catholic ones. WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2013 #124
And the pedophile priests? KansDem Mar 2013 #58
Kicking Up Dust To Evade the Real Issue BlueManFan Mar 2013 #64
Washing women feet Pope disregards his own law in this matter domchrist Mar 2013 #65
My Mom ArtiChoke Mar 2013 #70
He obviously does have a choice and he exercised it. pnwmom Mar 2013 #72
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Good for him. Living a life of poverty and Ilsa Mar 2013 #67
From Pedophile to Pediphile! Anything to cover up their scandals. Walk away Mar 2013 #68
good for him .............. Angry Dragon Mar 2013 #75
We may have a real Pope here! colorado_ufo Mar 2013 #78
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Athiest here. Wow. n/t Bertha Venation Mar 2013 #80
Nothing but a photo op broadcaster75201 Mar 2013 #82
No, it's not. Beacool Mar 2013 #110
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Thank you. Beacool Apr 2013 #159
I agree Quixote1818 Mar 2013 #132
I have liked what I have seen so far. Beacool Apr 2013 #160
Yeah. Just like that Obama guy. onehandle Mar 2013 #141
As admirable as that gesture would be Shivering Jemmy Apr 2013 #153
He says gay people are an attack on God, so those of you lauding him for this own that. Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #84
No, lauding the Pope for washing people's feet does not confer ownership of his homophobic stance DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2013 #89
No he does not say "gay people are an attack on God." ucrdem Mar 2013 #105
It's Twenty Freaking Thirteen. Pardon me if I don't give a medal ... gauguin57 Mar 2013 #85
Any man that tells me what I have to do with my hair... Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #133
What the Pope does IS CHURCH LAW alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #90
Francis' gesture sparked a debate among some conservatives and liturgical purists VA_Jill Mar 2013 #91
I see he has a foot fetish. Just kidding! ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #99
Seems like he might have been the best possible outcome from that conclave MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #100
Wow! Only 100 years behind the rest of the civilized world now! grahamhgreen Mar 2013 #104
that's being perhaps a bit generous.. ;) Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #143
Good start. Nt XanaDUer Mar 2013 #107
Doing this is much better than excluding women. merrily Mar 2013 #113
Everything this guy does makes me like him more (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #118
There's a church law that says you can't wash a woman's feet? tabasco Mar 2013 #123
Seven women had their feet washed at our Catholic Church. WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2013 #125
creepy Skittles Mar 2013 #126
Did you see this article? Quixote1818 Mar 2013 #134
a lot of poverty is CAUSED by the Catholic Church Skittles Mar 2013 #135
This is important because he is a role model and the more liberal the better Quixote1818 Mar 2013 #131
At least having a foot fetish is better than being a pedophile. AAO Mar 2013 #138
If he keeps this up, he will do ok. McCamy Taylor Mar 2013 #140
I am really starting to like this guy! Odin2005 Apr 2013 #150
Let me know when he sells off some of the Churches assetts moobu2 Apr 2013 #151
The good news is, you're getting your wish. ucrdem Apr 2013 #155
Yeah. Just like that Obama guy. onehandle Apr 2013 #157
They have sold plenty of assets to pay the victims. Beacool Apr 2013 #161
Being at one's service is actually being at one's service. To me this is a stunt. Lint Head Apr 2013 #156
Law, tradition, rules, rituals marshall Apr 2013 #158
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