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Omaha Steve

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22. I only mention the Carcano because JFK tried to ban it when he was a US Senator
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 06:14 AM
Apr 2013

If he had been successful....

I made no mention of taking arms away from anyone. Again I pointed out his training and being armed didn't help. Futile seems like the correct word. End of line.

No I don't know about the serial numbers. I'm not a gun nut. Just a gun owner tired of DUer's gone rouge on any form of reform.

Your the one that hijacked the thread by putting words in my mouth. Insult? Send it to a jury.


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51162763/ns/msnbc-rachel_maddow_show/t/rachel-maddow-show-tuesday-march-th/

So, there`s lots going on in the world and lots to get it this hour, but we
begin tonight with this.

This is a piece of legislature introduced by John F. Kennedy when John F.
Kennedy was a senator from Massachusetts. We remember JFK now as a remark
remarkably young president, right? A fresh face, an outsider defeating the
old establishment guy, the vice president Richard Nixon.

But John F. Kennedy was not new to Washington when he won the White House.
He had been a congressman, first elected in 1946, then a senator elected
first in 1952 and reelected in 1958. And while he was a senator, in that
year that he was running for reelection in 1958, John F. Kennedy introduced
this legislature. It was a bill to ban the importing into the United
States of guns or ammunition that were originally manufactured for military
purposes. So, we are talking about foreign weapons made for foreign
military use being sold to civilians here in the United States.

Now, the most popular weapon like that at the time looked like this. It`s
an Italian rifle called a Carkano or it sometimes called a non-liquor
Carkano. This was the most popular foreign firearm, originally
manufactured for military purposes that was sold in the United States at
the time that John F. Kennedy introduced a bill that would have banned the
sale of this gun.

If you want to get a better look at this gun, here`s another view. The man
holding the rifle is in this photo is Lee Harvey Oswald who went on to kill
John F. Kennedy with that gun in 1963. Mr. Oswald bought that gun by mail
legally using a coupon he clipped out of the American rifleman magazine,
which is the magazine of the NRA. Lee Harvey Oswald was able to buy that
gun he used to kill the president because of the bill that JFK introduced
that would have banned the sale was defeated by the NRA. Oswald bought the
gun in March 1963. He killed President Kennedy with it in November of that
year. This year marks 50 years since the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

In the aftermath of his assassination, there was a great impetuous to
reform the laws around guns in this country. Gallup polling after the
president`s death in 1963 showed that more than 80 percent of the country
wanted Congress to enact the strictest gun restrictions possible.

But nothing happened. The new president, LBJ, tried mightily to get gun
reform passed in the wake of the JFK assassination, but they were not able
to get anything through Congress. Even after the assassination of the
president by a gun that was bought legally by his assassin that would not
have been legal to buy under that president`s own gun control proposal.
That apparently was not enough.

It was not until the president`s brother was also assassinated and Martin
Luther King Jr. was assassinated in 1968 than anything did finally get done
at the federal level. And even then, it was just barely which LBJ
announced bitterly upon passage of the bill that he did finally get
through.

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Feels like a whole lot of assassination going on lately. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2013 #1
They've been talking about it for some time now. longship Apr 2013 #3
Nope, this what much of this was always about. Always. freshwest Apr 2013 #6
The Koch Brothers are extremely dangerous to the survival of a democracy. They are a Trojan Horse, RKP5637 Apr 2013 #27
+1000 Newest Reality Apr 2013 #29
The Koch Matrix! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #31
Well, I'll just haul this one out for those who want it: freshwest Apr 2013 #44
+++ 1,000,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #46
How many has it been this year? dogknob Apr 2013 #16
I was actually wondering the same thing, hearing about three or four this month alone. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2013 #25
In texas it's more likely the drug cartels than some rw conspiracy..nt Paul E Ester Apr 2013 #35
I guess we'll find out one way or another. longship Apr 2013 #38
Hopefully we will..nt Paul E Ester Apr 2013 #40
Some more info exploring both angles. Paul E Ester Apr 2013 #43
Nothing works against an ambush and little works against assault weaponry. freshwest Apr 2013 #2
Many of them become "targets"... SkyDaddy7 Apr 2013 #24
Therefore it never has nor ever will? pipoman Apr 2013 #4
So "it still did him no good"? And logically his gun should have been taken away from him? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #5
Your in fantasy land or what? Omaha Steve Apr 2013 #7
So why, exactly, did you say "Veteran with a gun for protection and it still did him no good"? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #8
I only mention the Carcano because JFK tried to ban it when he was a US Senator Omaha Steve Apr 2013 #22
It's a false equivalency to equate asking questions with "putting words in (your) mouth". AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #33
The truth was on my side Omaha Steve Apr 2013 #34
"How that turns into taking guns away I have no idea." No one knows. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #37
Your clarification was straight to a Beck & friends talking point Omaha Steve Apr 2013 #47
A history lesson for you. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #49
OH BOY Omaha Steve Apr 2013 #51
I didn't say that. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #52
A link from a neutral site Omaha Steve Apr 2013 #53
Just some knowledge of history. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #55
OK Omaha Steve Apr 2013 #56
Forget the type of gun. The argument goes against the idea that guns are de-facto protection. randome Apr 2013 #30
STRAWMAN. Who besides you and other gun-controllers AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #32
the NRA sure likes to imply that booley Apr 2013 #50
What is it called when .... etherealtruth Apr 2013 #54
In claiming he created a strawman, you just created one yourself. He never said or implied that stevenleser Apr 2013 #75
Wait, you want to ban bolt-action rifles? NickB79 Apr 2013 #21
What are the significant operational differences between a Carcano and a Remington 700? Marengo Apr 2013 #58
Carcano was military issue and imported Omaha Steve Apr 2013 #60
Operationally, it isn't much different from most... Marengo Apr 2013 #61
But GreenStormCloud says... Omaha Steve Apr 2013 #62
Perhaps because it has the appearance of a diversionary tactic? Marengo Apr 2013 #63
This all started over my coment.. Omaha Steve Apr 2013 #64
No, as that topic has no relation with that which I am addressing in this thread. Marengo Apr 2013 #65
US jobs, or gun control, you got a choice provided by a 2nd amendment supporter Omaha Steve Apr 2013 #66
That's nice, now back to the topic I am addressing... Marengo Apr 2013 #67
Why not ask JFK? Omaha Steve Apr 2013 #68
We could also ask every kill by the U.S. M40 sniper platform... Marengo Apr 2013 #76
Remington 700 Omaha Steve Apr 2013 #77
The functional similarity. Why ban the Carcano and not the Remington 700? Marengo Apr 2013 #78
Already posted: I only mention the Carcano because JFK tried to ban it when he was a US Senator Omaha Steve Apr 2013 #79
From an operational perspective, banning one and not the other... Marengo Apr 2013 #80
You have certainly enjoyed your stay! greiner3 Apr 2013 #9
Whatever that means, same to you. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #11
If only he'd been armed. Sigh. kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #10
I just hope somebody has the footage. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2013 #12
I was wondering about that, $400 for a 8 camera DVR...nt Paul E Ester Apr 2013 #36
Right? napoleon_in_rags Apr 2013 #45
Another political assassination... Hekate Apr 2013 #13
You can't honestly do that with just one datapoint. Bucky Apr 2013 #14
You're right ... brett_jv Apr 2013 #15
How True DallasNE Apr 2013 #17
yeh i'm sure it went down just like that.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #18
Regardless of the exact details ... brett_jv Apr 2013 #19
In answer to your question: Paladin Apr 2013 #28
100% of ALL gun deaths could be prevented with a 100% ban of all bullets/guns in the streets graham4anything Apr 2013 #20
Criminals will have guns and ammo in that fantasy world of yours. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #26
Two gunmen stalked and shot my friend, the municipal judge Kolesar Apr 2013 #23
I just browse these stories anymore to see if the usual NRA assholes are spinning it... Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #39
This one seems to be riling the gun nut assholes up into state of high froth alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #41
Scary stuff. Cops are armed and get shot, too. No one is safe from horrific violence. Blandocyte Apr 2013 #42
He had a gun so he was totally safe, right??? tabasco Apr 2013 #48
Nobody claims that. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #57
Home protection is the NRA's #1 argument for opposing gun restrictions. tabasco Apr 2013 #69
He was ambushed by probably 4 people and shot 20 times. tammywammy Apr 2013 #59
Link? tabasco Apr 2013 #70
Here's a link tammywammy Apr 2013 #71
So.... no confirmation yet of how many assailants and how many shots. tabasco Apr 2013 #72
It looks like the executioners answered McClellan's very public message R B Garr Apr 2013 #74
Here's a story from yesterday with another prosecuter madville Apr 2013 #73
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