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25. Because it would make no difference in how gun owners are perceived.

I can say (and have said) that I am not a member of the NRA and I support gun control issues such as universal background checks, limits on magazine sizes, plus all of the President's executive orders. But point out the serious flaws in the AWB and I am attacked as a RW NRA stooge who doesn't care about kids being murdered.

There are many here that simply cannot perceive of gun ownership as a progress value and automatically brand gun owners as RW nuts always on the verge of mass murder. For example, there is one prominent pro-gun control poster that routinely posts that the only reason people own guns is because they fantasize about shooting people. And no one on your side ever challenges it so I can only assume you feel the same way.

And how many times do we have to see "NRA talking points" before we wonder if the person we are talking with is really serious about a rational discussion?

And how many time do we have to hear "you don't care about the murder of children" before we wonder if the person we are talking with is really serious about a rational discussion?

For many pro-gun control posters, "discussion" is nothing more than an emotional bludgeoning of their opponents with no attempt or desire for honest discussion.

When any disagreement is distilled down to "RW shill spouting NRA talking points" and "you support the murder of babies" then you will not have rational discussion. Until you accept that the blame for the tone of the discussion falls equally on both sides, there will be no change in the tone.