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Yo_Mama

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62. 650 is pretty bad
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 10:22 AM
Apr 2013

She needs to get that up over 680. Her score is significantly worse than average. More than 60% of Americans have scores over 700.

Perfect (top-line) scores are in the 800s. 700 scores are good. The national average score is 750 or thereabouts.

Banks aren't requiring PERFECT credit, but they aren't happy about giving high loan-to-value mortgages to those with scores less than 720. They're afraid they'll be forced to buy the loan back later and incur losses if there is a default, nor is it that saleable, so interest rate risk (duration risk) is a real factor.

FHA insurance guidelines are the minimum standard (unless you have a 20% downpayment, and who does?):
First you have debt-to-income ratios, explained here:
http://www.fha.com/fha_requirements_debt

If she really can meet the front-end and back-end ratio requirements, the next place to go is Fannie Mae's LLPA matrix:
https://www.fanniemae.com/content/pricing/llpa-matrix.pdf;jsessionid=C58479AC70FBAD660890880C7505E28E.cportal-cl03

Note that for a 90-95% loan to value ratio, (person is putting down more than 5% but no more than 10%), Fannie imposes a 1.5% interest rate increase for a person with a 650 score compared to a person with a 680 score. In other words, Fannie sees that much extra risk in that loan.

And if a person is putting down less than 5% (FHA), the cost actually drops to 1.25% extra.

You don't need perfect credit to get a mortgage, but you do need decent credit and some money down and not too much in the way of extra debt so that your back-end DTIs don't look too bad. A lot of people are unrealistic about what they can afford.

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It's deja vu all over again. nt OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #1
doh! gristy Apr 2013 #2
Yep, seems the politicians are serving their banker donors once again! n/t alp227 Apr 2013 #10
It's only been a few years, have we learned nothing? MrSlayer Apr 2013 #3
It was not delinquent homeowners that crashed the banks ... MindMover Apr 2013 #7
I know. They were the vehicle the banksters used to loot the place. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #19
Either you are or you aren't madokie Apr 2013 #30
What people are not realizing is that Drale Apr 2013 #4
+1 nt Live and Learn Apr 2013 #28
THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ socialist_n_TN Apr 2013 #42
650 is pretty bad Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #62
Here we go again. MichiganVote Apr 2013 #5
What could possibly go wrong? subterranean Apr 2013 #6
What the hell??? lexw Apr 2013 #8
it worked so well last time putitinD Apr 2013 #9
Correct me if I am wrong... iandhr Apr 2013 #11
I don't think we have in the sense of making sure the bail out money reached main street... midnight Apr 2013 #31
Instead of public housing . . . caseymoz Apr 2013 #12
The problem wasn't lending to poor people geek tragedy Apr 2013 #14
Of course it was PSPS Apr 2013 #21
They're not proposing to bring back liar loans geek tragedy Apr 2013 #32
We already have artificially low teaser rates. Igel Apr 2013 #83
Since the vast majority of loans are fixed-rate geek tragedy Apr 2013 #84
I see builders' signs ... Myrina Apr 2013 #47
As I understand it, the percentage of mortgages that were sub-prime had soared to historic Flatulo Apr 2013 #25
Bigger problem was when 'prime' loans began performing geek tragedy Apr 2013 #36
And other debt Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #66
I'm in absolute agreement about "ability to pay" being the geek tragedy Apr 2013 #67
It's complex Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #69
Short-term there is a risk of loss of equity/down payment geek tragedy Apr 2013 #74
Yes, but the long term doesn't matter if the short term doesn't work Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #92
I would quibble that it wasn't the notion that geek tragedy Apr 2013 #93
Thanks for a great post! I'm sure it took some time Flatulo Apr 2013 #80
I got my first mortgage in 1986. $110k, 12.75% Flatulo Apr 2013 #68
Our lender threw a fit because my wife transferred geek tragedy Apr 2013 #70
Lol - we're a pendulum-y kind of people. nt Flatulo Apr 2013 #72
Please read #88 - an explosion in lending, this Reuters article specific to subprime auto loans n/t progree Apr 2013 #89
Auto and residential mortgages are completely different sectors of the economy. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #90
I know, but the article mentions subprime mortgage securities as another mini-bubble, although just progree Apr 2013 #91
Yep. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2013 #51
Most people don't understand how complex mortgage lending criteria are. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #53
Also the "CRA did it" crowd magellan Apr 2013 #61
Government should never encourage private 3rd party loans. caseymoz Apr 2013 #71
So, people should be forced to pay cash if they want to own a home? geek tragedy Apr 2013 #75
Did I forget to mention grants? caseymoz Apr 2013 #76
How is the government supposed to raise enough money geek tragedy Apr 2013 #77
Really? We can't? caseymoz Apr 2013 #78
The problem is that private industry is not willing to take the geek tragedy Apr 2013 #79
You have to compare that $100 billion . . . caseymoz Apr 2013 #87
The pendulum has swung too far the other way. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #13
yep daybranch Apr 2013 #15
How did the conversation get here ???? Purplehazed Apr 2013 #22
Um ... Fact free generalisations denem Apr 2013 #23
Nobody is proposing giving loans to people geek tragedy Apr 2013 #33
+1 DCBob Apr 2013 #26
You left out the all the buyers from other countries. nt Live and Learn Apr 2013 #29
Here in NYC, absolutely. nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #34
He should have nationalized a few instead SHRED Apr 2013 #16
Obama nationalized the biggest lenders - Fannie & Freddie denem Apr 2013 #24
Private equity firms are buying up foreclosures by the billions of dollars. Fuddnik Apr 2013 #17
^^ This ^^ Myrina Apr 2013 #45
So people should pay their landlords' mortgages instead? geek tragedy Apr 2013 #56
The Fine Print: What The Street doesn't like is the facility to refinance existing mortgages denem Apr 2013 #18
+1 nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #50
This is all we have left Mnpaul Apr 2013 #20
If you can't afford it, real estate is the riskiest investment you can make because its leveraged. dkf Apr 2013 #27
You realize FICO scores are irrelevant to the ability geek tragedy Apr 2013 #37
They were approving amounts based on my income. dkf Apr 2013 #38
Indeed. Earth_First Apr 2013 #39
Smart. dkf Apr 2013 #41
Obama isn't talking about encouraging banks to lend to people geek tragedy Apr 2013 #48
I couldn't have afforded to pay back what they were willing to lend to me... dkf Apr 2013 #52
You're conflating credit scores with DTI ratios. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #54
Yeah they thought I could pay off that crazy amount too...and by myself! dkf Apr 2013 #58
The limit for conforming mortgages is 28% of pre-tax income, with geek tragedy Apr 2013 #60
You can tell the lenders that at your next mortgage application...........I'm sure they will listen lunasun Apr 2013 #57
FICO has nothing to do with income. They check both your FICO credit score geek tragedy Apr 2013 #59
A FICO score of about 520 is generally the minimum that will qualify for a mortgage lunasun Apr 2013 #64
FICO is one of many variables. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #65
Please, loan sharks, get more customers! JackRiddler Apr 2013 #35
Stupidity rules. dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #40
Isn't that how 2008 happened in the first place? Myrina Apr 2013 #43
He's not the same as Bush! Doctor_J Apr 2013 #44
No, he's not. Anyone who understands mortgage lending would tell geek tragedy Apr 2013 #55
Dump the Trans Pacific Partnership and at least keep those jobs here. amandabeech Apr 2013 #46
The lenders own the homes untill they are paid off. Why aren't the lenders paying the property tax?? Sunlei Apr 2013 #49
"assuring banks they won't face recriminations" Enrique Apr 2013 #63
Because it worked so well the last time? slackmaster Apr 2013 #73
Weak credit wasn't the problem davidn3600 Apr 2013 #82
O RLY? slackmaster Apr 2013 #86
Gosh. Where are Sid Dithers, Mineral Man, and NYC Skip Occulus Apr 2013 #81
Knives allowed on planes, banks urged to make loans to people with weak credit... forestpath Apr 2013 #85
I thought maybe this was Chicken Little stuff, then I read this -- Subprime auto loans explosion progree Apr 2013 #88
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