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Leopolds Ghost

(12,875 posts)
40. An interesting discussion
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 05:59 AM
Feb 2012

Reposted not as a point of process (this is not Help/Meta) but because it might shed some light on journalistic discussions regarding Occupy.

> > > "Citizen Journalist" does not meet the criteria for "mainstream website and blogs"
> >
> > Yes it does.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not in this forum

LBN follows standards of journalism I assume.

Per academic standards of journalism, when no secondary source is available, which is the case, primary sources are acceptable reporting.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The article you linked to says "Saturday Morning" Your own limited OP does not even mention any time other than from the the article you linked "Saturday Morning"

Are you aware of the issue in question? I am sure the AP article, included as background info, mentioned that police arrived in the morning but it is public information that protestors were cleared from the park in the evening. The article appeared in the Daily Mail which is in a different time zone also.

> > This is news of national interest, not General Discussion. It is not related to politics. It is related to an important national news issue with multiple stories related to it.
>
> I understand it an important news issue, however, your very limited reporting of the event seems to be only your headline and a link to an AP story. The only information you added is "15-year old girl injured in face by baton"

> It's implied, but you did not report the police hit the victim with a baton.

Yes.

> How badly was the girl injured. Was there blood. A contusion? A cut? Bruising, etc?

Yes. Do you wish me to do in-depth reporting on it? I considered doing an in-depth story at the time; however by your own standards you would not accept reportage from Occupy citizen journalists. Perhaps you could suggest a publisher who would be interested in funding it.

> Did the 15 year old seek or get medical attention?

Further reporting would be needed on that issue. Did the police officer seek or get medical attention?

> What was the girl's name and where is she from?

I have access to that information from witnesses, it is inappropriate to give it to anyone else since it was an assault on a minor.

> I am assuming there were other witnesses around. Did you interview them? Why is that not included in your report?

Yes. Are you requesting names and faces?

The reporter (me) will be unable to interview them a second time in all likelihood since they are going to be arrested and removed from Freedom Plaza (without witnesses, since no other persons from the DC area were in attendance to observe, report on, or cover the story) Sunday morning.

> Did you get a photo of the victim?
> Did you interview the officer?
> Did you ask for a statement from the police?
> Did the girl fill out a police report?

I'm not sure you're aware of the context here.

> Most journalism classes would tell you to the the who, what, when, where, how. I am just not seeing that information in your post/report at all.
>
> Thank you.

I am really not sure why similar questions were not asked (by editors across the country) of the story posted above. Why was the same brick story posted in every major publication, web or print, that is available on Google when you do a news search on DC occupy? How were people at the GA able to predict what would be said on DU, a forum most of them do not follow? I see no information given for the brick that was thrown at the officer, where and whether the officer was hospitalized, although, following basic journalistic principles, I have no reason to doubt it happened.

One idea is that Occupiers could get together and send the officer flowers at the hospital. I am serious about this. It would help heal the divisions between Occupy and police, who are also members of the 99%.

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Way to go occupy.... Joe the Revelator Feb 2012 #1
Gee, thanks Troll RufusTFirefly Feb 2012 #4
This isn't the first negative news about occupy creeksneakers2 Feb 2012 #5
There were lots of Agent Provacatuers in all the peace movements! sce56 Feb 2012 #8
They do it all the time. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #61
Then again, there are a lot of tools out their with rocks DUIC Feb 2012 #70
Thank you for posting. /nt think Feb 2012 #119
Your score keeping needs a lot of work. EFerrari Feb 2012 #17
I don't understand what you mean creeksneakers2 Feb 2012 #117
I wonder if there has ever been negative news about cops... or democrats... or priests... or... Tunkamerica Feb 2012 #35
If you look at the entire movement creeksneakers2 Feb 2012 #118
Feh kenfrequed Feb 2012 #129
Occupy has a pattern. I'm not generalizing what can't be generalized. creeksneakers2 Feb 2012 #133
*feh* a noise I make when I dismiss something as absurd. kenfrequed Feb 2012 #134
Do you know how stupid it sounds to blame all the bullshit that comes out of occupy on... Joe the Revelator Feb 2012 #9
A whole day of police duplicity and violence EFerrari Feb 2012 #11
Let that brick hit you in the fucking head. tabasco Feb 2012 #21
More brilliance, someone get me my shades. EFerrari Feb 2012 #23
.... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2012 #98
probably feel almost as bad as repeated truncheon attacks or being tazed or tear gassed Tunkamerica Feb 2012 #38
Were the police doing that in Washington? tabasco Feb 2012 #122
protestors attacked by cops is weird and fictional? Tunkamerica Feb 2012 #137
Would I be wearing a helmet? KansDem Feb 2012 #52
I wouldn't notice because the police baton already did. JackRiddler Feb 2012 #53
This is how discussions get sidetracked. It isn't about whether it's ok to hit someone truth2power Feb 2012 #74
So you're saying, in effect, that the police attacked the police. randome Feb 2012 #75
Do I understand that you are siding with the oligarchs and their police? nm rhett o rick Feb 2012 #106
Provide evidence for that assertion or I shall assume your tabasco Feb 2012 #121
Do you side against those people in Egypt also? Do you side against people in rhett o rick Feb 2012 #128
"I side against people who throw bricks at other people and horses." Downtown Hound Feb 2012 #139
Let that tear gas burn you in the eyes Downtown Hound Feb 2012 #140
"to turn into an ugly, disorganized, Frankenstein of a 'movement', if you can even call it that" SoapBox Feb 2012 #13
I've been reading tweets all day since early this morning from the violent attack on OccupyDC. EFerrari Feb 2012 #14
When there's a mere allegation of an Occupier throwing something at a cop... backscatter712 Feb 2012 #25
You said it. EFerrari Feb 2012 #27
+1000. nt awoke_in_2003 Feb 2012 #100
They do seem rather good at it don't they. kenfrequed Feb 2012 #130
Go ahead and lay down with the oligarchs. nm rhett o rick Feb 2012 #15
Do you know how stupid it sounds to buy into the media narrative? Hissyspit Feb 2012 #28
What I find more amusing is that those... joshcryer Feb 2012 #31
Good post. nt msanthrope Feb 2012 #42
Yeah, those occupiers need to be more like teabaggers and bring guns, fasttense Feb 2012 #47
..."no leaders in occupy"... It's interesting how some DUers are pushing the idea that Occupy truth2power Feb 2012 #55
Thanks for the referral. EFerrari Feb 2012 #63
Not as stupid as mimicking right-wing talking points. nm rhett o rick Feb 2012 #79
Labeling other people's opinions as 'right wing'... randome Feb 2012 #80
I didnt label his opinion. I simply stated that using right-wing talking points is as rhett o rick Feb 2012 #82
Uhm... kenfrequed Feb 2012 #131
Maybe, just maybe, the fact that there are no leaders in occupy has allowed it to throneoflunacy Feb 2012 #87
"an ugly, disorganized, Frankenstein of a 'movement'" boppers Feb 2012 #113
NTSBOTC, are ya? The Doctor. Feb 2012 #18
Welcome to my Ignore list, troll - n/t coalition_unwilling Feb 2012 #33
Way to go Joe, carla Feb 2012 #48
I'm angry because OWS could have been so much more, and it's downfall... Joe the Revelator Feb 2012 #62
"Rational people" who sided with authority from "go". EFerrari Feb 2012 #65
I wish I could find the lyrics kenfrequed Feb 2012 #132
Your words sound like a RW talk radio yapping Marrah_G Feb 2012 #125
How in the hell can people sleep there with no bedding or blannkets? Hestia Feb 2012 #2
I think they mean indoor bedding instead of camping gear. nt Deep13 Feb 2012 #3
Simple - we gather throneoflunacy Feb 2012 #88
This group was assembled on K street so I'm sure there will be plenty of servalance video. midnight Feb 2012 #6
When the Occupy DC group first came to McPherson Square... CBHagman Feb 2012 #7
But, what other means would there be for the 99% to protest? MrMickeysMom Feb 2012 #10
somebody reported rats in a city! don't you understand the implication of rats? what's next? pigeons Tunkamerica Feb 2012 #39
Its not against any religion... to poisoning a pigeon! MrMickeysMom Feb 2012 #68
Greater health and safety risks than the police beating on people EFerrari Feb 2012 #12
Whats this "we" stuff? tabasco Feb 2012 #22
Are you trying to locate yourself? I know where I am. EFerrari Feb 2012 #24
We are the 99%. Include me in the we. nm rhett o rick Feb 2012 #105
If it's too "risky" for you, then go home. The movement is going ahead w/o you. nm rhett o rick Feb 2012 #16
I wouldn't be surprised if things get bad EFerrari Feb 2012 #19
About the Rats atreides1 Feb 2012 #49
So you can be considered 'pro-rat', I suppose? randome Feb 2012 #50
"health and safety risks" It is to laugh.... truth2power Feb 2012 #58
Notice some of the pigs were wearing their propaganda suits - aka hazmat suits. backscatter712 Feb 2012 #67
Necessity throneoflunacy Feb 2012 #91
Perhaps a bit more contemplation on ethics and morals is needed. WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2012 #20
Contemplating ethics and morals will not ever give us control EFerrari Feb 2012 #26
Maybe not control over one brick heaver, but it's needed WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2012 #89
I disagree. What is needed is perspective. EFerrari Feb 2012 #103
But I do have interest in helping Occupy have a successful outcome. WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2012 #107
Then, I hope you get out to your local GA because that's where it happens. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #108
Been doing that for over three months. WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2012 #110
Kinda hard throneoflunacy Feb 2012 #92
Occupy needs to pick it's battles carefully. WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2012 #101
Way to go DU. I come back from to see not a single post about the original Occupy except this tripe Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #29
Nice post. Interesting thing about homelessness: joshcryer Feb 2012 #32
"I bet you didn't even know DC was the original planned Occupy" boppers Feb 2012 #114
Occupy DC was in in preparation months before September 17. Amonester Feb 2012 #123
Yeah, and we've had a hard time getting the two Occupy's to trust each other. Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #136
I personally wonder if it was a real member of Occupy. cstanleytech Feb 2012 #30
OWS needs to take responsibility... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #46
Then one solution for the asshole problem, is for WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2012 #94
That would definitely help. randome Feb 2012 #96
Or a group of volunteers. WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2012 #102
Cont. from Locked Thread: 15-year old girl injured in face by baton in Occupy DC Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #34
Transparency (continued) Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #36
I have no intention of reposting this on General Discussion, BTW. Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #37
An interesting discussion Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #40
since no other persons from the DC area were in attendance Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #41
Correction: some Secret Service Agents were sympathetic when the crowd sang the National Anthem Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #43
Holy Hell unionworks Feb 2012 #45
Yeah, I saw that footage. boppers Feb 2012 #115
Maybe she was an agent provocateur. randome Feb 2012 #57
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #59
When every negative action is blamed on 'agents'... randome Feb 2012 #60
There is a long history of the FBI infiltrating protest movements to discredit them. EFerrari Feb 2012 #64
I'm not characterizing all of OWS because of a few individuals' actions. randome Feb 2012 #66
Well, no, that's wrong. EFerrari Feb 2012 #69
Yeah. I would. randome Feb 2012 #71
No, the word "corporation" is not "bad". EFerrari Feb 2012 #72
"The corporation is an externalizing machine, in the same way that a shark is a killing machine." RufusTFirefly Feb 2012 #73
Agree with you all the way. randome Feb 2012 #76
You think that OWS should get organized and be just like moveon.org? Yup, rhett o rick Feb 2012 #81
No, I think OWS should get organized and be much better than it is. randome Feb 2012 #83
With respect, I'm questioning your notion of a "left-wing media." RufusTFirefly Feb 2012 #84
But they DO mention OWS occasionally. randome Feb 2012 #86
Is Rupert Murdoch left wing? RufusTFirefly Feb 2012 #90
Indeed. Robb Feb 2012 #99
The media is really, really scared notundecided Feb 2012 #93
I don't think anyone is afraid of OWS. randome Feb 2012 #95
I think in your mind's eye notundecided Feb 2012 #104
What a coincidence. randome Feb 2012 #109
Comedy Central and MSNBC throneoflunacy Feb 2012 #97
I totally agree, they also use undercover police from other areas. WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2012 #85
Notice that you totally ignored that the "provocateur" in question is a 15-year-old girl Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #135
Ignatz the Mouse unionworks Feb 2012 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Enrique Feb 2012 #51
One thing I really hope somebody got... backscatter712 Feb 2012 #54
This is anti-Occupy PROPAGANDA! Odin2005 Feb 2012 #56
When an Oakland protestor accused police of brutality there was photographic evidence Generic Other Feb 2012 #77
Fair enough. randome Feb 2012 #78
Im pretty sure you include no link Earth_First Feb 2012 #111
Here's a link - lynne Feb 2012 #112
The idiots do not help our cause. gregtownsand Feb 2012 #116
tear gas, rubber bullets, bulldozers, bean bags, corraling peacful protesters, and a media Badsam Feb 2012 #120
Yeah, I am surprised that anyone's surprised that we might actually fight back Doctor_J Feb 2012 #124
What I find interesting is... Javaman Feb 2012 #126
Occupy Oakland trying to stop violence unionworks Feb 2012 #127
I hope OWS releases a zombie plague into a group of police officers. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #138
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