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126. He wiffle-waffled when asked on MTP, but later condemned the bill.

Sun Apr 7, 2013, 05:58 AM

Apr 2013

See here--all is revealed:

http://www.towleroad.com/2009/12/video-pastor-rick-warren-condemns-uganda-antihomosexuality-bill.html

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Saddleback Church Says Rick Warren�s Son Has Committed Suicide [View all] Leslie Valley Apr 2013 OP

Devestating. ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author OldRedneck Apr 2013 #2

Completely uncalled-for comment Hekate Apr 2013 #4

+1. Faygo Kid Apr 2013 #5

I agree with Hekate. No Vested Interest Apr 2013 #7

There is no question that pain is pain. And... CincyDem Apr 2013 #8

It has happened much too often... FarPoint Apr 2013 #39

Good lord, man. mac56 Apr 2013 #6

+1 iandhr Apr 2013 #77

Nail on Head! honeyward Apr 2013 #10

You joined up just to make this ignorant comment? DURHAM D Apr 2013 #11

+2 Faygo Kid Apr 2013 #13

No likely about it. SpartanDem Apr 2013 #24

If this is their first post on this board, they have nothing useful to contribute. Salviati Apr 2013 #54

Me too - shame on me eom elfin Apr 2013 #15

It's likely we ALL thought it. Ken Burch Apr 2013 #27

Yep. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #30

Please have some respect. Or go elsewhere. nolabear Apr 2013 #32

Respect is earned - Goodbye, I am now going somewhere else. Don't agree with you, so I should firenewt Apr 2013 #37

Not directed at you. At the one poster. nolabear Apr 2013 #56

Oh he'll, and I was just about to post this... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #64

Disrespect is earned. Respect is the default position. LanternWaste Apr 2013 #196

Welcome to DU, honeyward! calimary Apr 2013 #41

^^^THIS^^^ Melinda Apr 2013 #55

That's pretty darn likely, whether or not people like to hear it. n/t Ian David Apr 2013 #14

Why don't you wait to find out the facts Faygo Kid Apr 2013 #18

It is natural to wonder dsc Apr 2013 #20

That's pretty darn likely, AlbertCat Apr 2013 #46

"He may have realized that his father's god doesn't exist." Divine Discontent Apr 2013 #88

you have no shame. AlbertCat Apr 2013 #92

You're the one who used the suicide of a man with lifelong depression to take a potshot at religion. Divine Discontent Apr 2013 #95

And you're being judgemental about it BuddhaGirl Apr 2013 #138

Warren Sr is the one without shame amuse bouche Apr 2013 #117

Objectively false ButterflyBlood Apr 2013 #135

No amuse bouche Apr 2013 #143

Then if "you don't know," keep your opinions to yourself. AngryOldDem Apr 2013 #21

As unkind as it may be, that was my first thought as well. truebluegreen Apr 2013 #23

Or he was depressed as was said - and that can happen gay or straight; karynnj Apr 2013 #28

Welcome to DU, OldRedneck! calimary Apr 2013 #34

There are myriad reasons someone might commit suicide... CBHagman Apr 2013 #48

Hopefully the wisdom of not speaking every thought in one's head dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #36

That was my first thought as well, OldRedneck....... TheDebbieDee Apr 2013 #43

How heartbreaking for his family Hekate Apr 2013 #3

My heart goes out to Pastor Rick and his family qanda Apr 2013 #9

Condolences to the family and friends ChazII Apr 2013 #12

Brutal BeyondGeography Apr 2013 #16

Sad. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #17

"he struggled from birth with mental illness" - wonder what it was? nt bananas Apr 2013 #35

Apparently severe depression. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #67

Sounds like the depression was a result of something else. bananas Apr 2013 #83

Whatever it was, having a gun in the house made it fatal. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #102

Did it really have to go there? Socal31 Apr 2013 #155

If we don't learn from a tragedy it compounds the tragedy. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #157

This message was self-deleted by its author bananas Apr 2013 #81

Clinical Depression; greiner3 Apr 2013 #130

Yes, so what do they mean by "mental illness resulting in deep depression" bananas Apr 2013 #146

R.I.P. n/t Tx4obama Apr 2013 #19

Unfortunately many parents do not recognize their kids depression or problems. That is why if it is still_one Apr 2013 #22

It has to be difficult being the son of HATE. nt valerief Apr 2013 #25

Apparently it's much easier being the daughter of spite. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #44

I don't think Rick Warren hates people. musical_soul Apr 2013 #109

Yes -- he very gently encourages Uganda's "kill the gays" law n/t markpkessinger Apr 2013 #125

Absolutely amuse bouche Apr 2013 #116

prayer didn't help? RussBLib Apr 2013 #26

Oh, how terrible. My heart goes out to that family. Poor child. nolabear Apr 2013 #29

As much as I disagree with Rev. Warren's beliefs, no parent should have to bury a child. n/t alp227 Apr 2013 #31

Matthew's pain has ended. sheshe2 Apr 2013 #33

Oh sheshe2, I am so sorry. Yes, may Matthew and your brother rest in peace. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #149

Thank you SunSeeker. sheshe2 Apr 2013 #150

Perhaps his father will learn from this and become a less hate-filled human being Marrah_G Apr 2013 #38

As I recall amuse bouche Apr 2013 #47

yes he did Marrah_G Apr 2013 #49

Me too amuse bouche Apr 2013 #51

Ah yes! I wasn't going to say anything in response to this story, closeupready Apr 2013 #59

I'm no fan of Rick Warren BuddhaGirl Apr 2013 #137

I can understand that Marrah_G Apr 2013 #141

So very sad. mzmolly Apr 2013 #40

RIP, Matthew. nt City Lights Apr 2013 #42

My condolences to the Warren family OmahaBlueDog Apr 2013 #45

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #50

Speaking as an atheist it proves to me that money isn't everything. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #61

Welcome to DU. Very sad story. It's not that proof though. Festivito Apr 2013 #69

I'm no fan of Rick Warren, but I feel sorry for him right now. DinahMoeHum Apr 2013 #52

The lack of compassion of some of these posts iandhr Apr 2013 #53

Particularly those who signed up just to post uncalled-for nonsense arcane1 Apr 2013 #57

thought I was Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #58

It's what happens when the compassionless suffer a loss. Occulus Apr 2013 #62

So we should descend to their level? iandhr Apr 2013 #68

Sauce, for the goose. Occulus Apr 2013 #72

Maybe not your world - 840high Apr 2013 #75

On his son we can agree. Occulus Apr 2013 #76

Using personal tragedy as a prop BeyondGeography Apr 2013 #63

No me. People are PISSED. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #65

Its too much to ask to show... iandhr Apr 2013 #73

I'm sure many here feel for the son but think the dad drove him to it. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #78

And its wrong to make statements like that while the body is still warm. iandhr Apr 2013 #80

ummm yeah. no doubt JanMichael Apr 2013 #85

I was talking about common decency iandhr Apr 2013 #86

it's an anonymous internet forum JanMichael Apr 2013 #87

I am no fan of Rick Warren. iandhr Apr 2013 #89

Dad wrote "The Purpose Filled Life". Do you know what kind of opening that is for a tasteless joke? Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #96

I dont care. iandhr Apr 2013 #122

Which is why I didn't do a joke. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #123

Me too. okasha Apr 2013 #70

not to mention very sad :-( BuddhaGirl Apr 2013 #140

My heart aches for the Warren family. Inspired Apr 2013 #60

That's terrible deutsey Apr 2013 #66

May he rest in peace. My condolences to the family and friends. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2013 #71

Oh no :( PD Turk Apr 2013 #74

May he rest in peace and rise in glory. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #79

+1. tragic. Divine Discontent Apr 2013 #90

I feel sad for everyone who knew the poor soul. Ilsa Apr 2013 #82

ouch struggle4progress Apr 2013 #84

I'll pray for the Warrens. gauguin57 Apr 2013 #91

See? It's a lot more than Pab Sungenis Apr 2013 #93

man that is cold sdfernando Apr 2013 #99

It's what he wishes for me Pab Sungenis Apr 2013 #100

Do we know why he killed himself yet? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #151

Warren's Comments Strike Me as Odd Indykatie Apr 2013 #94

Even more odd, Warren called the suicide a "decision." No one decides to be mentally ill. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #103

Just as no one decides to be gay or straight MarcoS Apr 2013 #121

Should anyone who is mentally ill have rights curtailed... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #127

Mentally ill people don't have a right to a gun. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #148

Ah, yes, more insults & attacks. Typical. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #158

Of course the mentally ill have due process rights. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #159

The silly trick questions and the OUTRAGE are tells HangOnKids Apr 2013 #163

LOL. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #165

Trick question? If he was prevented from having a gun... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #168

Arguing that mentally ill people should have guns is not in the mainstream. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #170

Sounds like poutrage; it would be more convincing if... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #190

No, I'm just stating the facts. nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #192

And I see none coming from you. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #194

Complaining about attacks and insults with.... HangOnKids Apr 2013 #161

No attacks & insults issued by me. Re-check your cards. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #169

Implying I do not think the mentally ill have any rights is an insult. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #171

I asked a reasonable question based on your remarks Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #188

It was not reasonable to accuse me of believing the mentally ill have no rights. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #191

Again, distortions: Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #195

You. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #197

You #102. You #157. You brought it up... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #198

YOU attacked ME for saying our gun culture lets mentally ill folks have a gun. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #199

Well, at least you admit bring up the subject before I did. There is little credibility left... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #200

Wow. Just wow. You're so far out there. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #201

You can't take a challenge well, and think it is an attack. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #202

Not likely Steve HangOnKids Apr 2013 #173

Got nothin' to show? nt Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #189

No one decides to be mentally ill BainsBane Apr 2013 #172

Suicide is the mental illness consuming you. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #177

choices need not be reasoned BainsBane Apr 2013 #182

I get what you're saying. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #185

I agree with that BainsBane Apr 2013 #186

I think the most tragic thing in life is to lose one of your children sdfernando Apr 2013 #97

"I could not help wondering whether this poor child was gay" Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #98

I don't see the usefulness of such speculation. yellowcanine Apr 2013 #160

I disagree... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #164

If you precede any reason with "IF" just about anything can be justified. yellowcanine Apr 2013 #175

And we all know the internet is no place for that sort of thing. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #180

No more justified on the internet than anywhere else. yellowcanine Apr 2013 #181

And consider the audience... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #183

RIP DeSwiss Apr 2013 #101

Very apt quotation. senseandsensibility Apr 2013 #120

Yes, it is a good reminder because..... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #124

"heaven was waiting"....how absurd. Hulk Apr 2013 #104

I'm sorry to hear that. Beacool Apr 2013 #105

It's so sad. musical_soul Apr 2013 #106

Details MarcoS Apr 2013 #107

Rick didn't support the Ugandan bill. musical_soul Apr 2013 #111

Did you miss the last part of that article? MarcoS Apr 2013 #112

Which part of the article did he say that? musical_soul Apr 2013 #113

No offense but MarcoS Apr 2013 #114

Looking at the links around the article.... musical_soul Apr 2013 #115

Can we get answers to my questions MarcoS Apr 2013 #118

He wiffle-waffled when asked on MTP, but later condemned the bill. MADem Apr 2013 #126

His actions and words advanced the thinking that brought about these bills Marrah_G Apr 2013 #132

Disingenuity MarcoS Apr 2013 #133

I am sorry for the family oldandhappy Apr 2013 #108

I wish them peace Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #110

Oh, that's horrible DesertRat Apr 2013 #119

This is deeply, deeply tragic RFKHumphreyObama Apr 2013 #128

Depression is very misunderstood, judging by comments here. I have suffered from it for years. Jennicut Apr 2013 #129

"You can't know what is in another person's heart" Patiod Apr 2013 #131

very sad. RIP. Sunlei Apr 2013 #134

My sister drank the Rick Warren koolaid a few years ago, and her poor son is clearly gay Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #136

Wow. I hope he knows he has your support, if not his mother's. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #139

Rest In Peace Matthew. My condolences to his family and friends. Crabby Appleton Apr 2013 #142

I'm quoting Olivia Pope on this one. Sivafae Apr 2013 #144

Pardon but MarcoS Apr 2013 #166

Nobody's immune from mental illness PolitFreak Apr 2013 #145

I feel for this guy and his family, regardless of his politics yurbud Apr 2013 #147

I have one question, not just for Pastor Warren, but for all kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #152

You really can't see how Union Scribe Apr 2013 #154

I am slamming people who say one thing and expect others to kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #156

It is wrong to use the death of a family member as an occasion to slam anyone. yellowcanine Apr 2013 #162

It's not half as wrong MarcoS Apr 2013 #167

"Not half as wrong" is still wrong. yellowcanine Apr 2013 #176

Just so we're clear MarcoS Apr 2013 #178

About as clear an example of a "false choice" as I have ever heard. yellowcanine Apr 2013 #179

Grief is a normal Human emotion. NutmegYankee Apr 2013 #174

I'm so sorry this happened to this family or any family tavalon Apr 2013 #153

Depression is a horrible illness that kills many people slackmaster Apr 2013 #184

I feel for what the son might have gone through. Jamastiene Apr 2013 #187

Will the Westboro Baptist Church be at the funeral to protest? n/t hughee99 Apr 2013 #193