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leveymg

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43. There are several overlapping models of regime change and outcomes.
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 03:50 PM
Feb 2012

* Iraq (Operation Iraqi Freedom, 2003-2012) - There was the direct, brute force occupation model to grab oil for US-based multinationals and topple a targeted regime used by the Bush Administration: Historical, Catastrophic Fail.
* Lebanon, Gaza (Operation Cast Lead, 2007) - unilateral bombing of infrastucture and limited targeting of political leaders and forces: Moderate Fail
* Libya (Operation , 2011) - Opportunistic regime change of an isolated autocrat with a weak base, UN "humanitarian intervention", accompanied by limited NATO airstrikes and a limited number of outside advisors: short duration of hostilities, coalition operation with UN approval, counted a Success and a model by most sources.
* Syria (Operation name unknown, 2011-present) - Multi-party covert political-military operations and arming of opposition. US, UK, France, Saudi Arabia, Gulf CC, Israel. Heavy civilian casualties for limited payback. Some degradation of Syrian military readiness. Failure to obtain UN resolution. Still in process, but likely Failure to achieve regime change in near-term.
* Iran (Operation name unknown, 2009 - present) Escalation of ongoing covert operations, embargoes and economic sanctions led by US, Israel, UK, Saudis, GCC. Failure of "Green Revolution" political opposition in 2009-10 to achieve goals, some destabilization of broad-based domestic political status quo supporting regime, some suppression of opposition. Campaign of targeted killings of nuclear scientists, Revolutionary Guard military leaders, probably carried out by Israel and proxies. Other paramilitary operations includes sabotage of pipelines. Result has been heightened alert status of Iranian military. Strategy appears to be to provoke Iranian military or unconventional forces reaction creating pretext for military attack. Operations still in process, and outcome is difficult to predict. Risk of uncontrollable spread of hostilities with heavy casualties on all sides is high. Potential Colossal Fail, casualties and costs many times Iraq Debacle.

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Dictators stick together. former9thward Feb 2012 #1
Of course they do! Iliyah Feb 2012 #2
Once bitten twice shy dipsydoodle Feb 2012 #3
13 of the 15 members supported it, including tabatha Feb 2012 #4
This was the predicted outcome all along. All those people dead in order to weaken leveymg Feb 2012 #5
Come on. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #35
The removal of Kadaffy was largely opportunistic. Regime change in Syria has been long planned leveymg Feb 2012 #38
Where is it? CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #39
There are several overlapping models of regime change and outcomes. leveymg Feb 2012 #43
Sounds to me like total catastrophic failure on all levels. Why is Obama going along with it? CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #46
Unlike Bush in Iraq, we can't attribute it to either lack of intellect or intelligence at the top. leveymg Feb 2012 #48
Well... CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #54
Stalling tactic to give more time for Assad's repression to work. Good to see every other country pampango Feb 2012 #6
Well it so far seem to be working in Bahrain -- n/t mazzarro Feb 2012 #7
Dictatorial governments installed largely by help from the USA dipsydoodle Feb 2012 #9
It won't work and eventually they'll resort to a Georgia-style action. joshcryer Feb 2012 #18
are honestly trying to peddle the globally-debunked claptrap that Russia first attacked Georgia? stockholmer Feb 2012 #28
Nope. joshcryer Feb 2012 #30
United Russia's(the Moscovian equivalent of our Republicans) time may be running out, though. AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #21
That's not true. David__77 Feb 2012 #22
And your proof is? AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #32
Amnesty Int.: Double veto of draft Security Council Resolution on Syria a betrayal of protesters pampango Feb 2012 #8
"Betrayal" is a strong word. Why should Russia or China have any loyalty to some "protesters"? Fool Count Feb 2012 #31
Well, any pretense that Russia and China have joined the civilized world WestSeattle2 Feb 2012 #10
What do you expect from a country that runs over its people with tanks? Dr_Scholl Feb 2012 #11
Russia and China can go fuck themseves! Odin2005 Feb 2012 #12
See Burma 2008. joshcryer Feb 2012 #19
China needs to be booted out of the UNSC, and Russia given a strict warning to CUT THAT SHIT OUT. AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #33
How many resolutions lsewpershad Feb 2012 #13
No one here mentions US blocking Israeli sanctions? radhika Feb 2012 #14
I hate the US's protecting Israel, too. This isn't either/or. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #23
The UN is morally bankrupt DUIC Feb 2012 #15
Putin doesn't want his own people to get any ideas, Syria is his puppet state. Baclava Feb 2012 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Centrik Feb 2012 #17
Good news! David__77 Feb 2012 #20
LOL, you probably think Freedom is Slavery, too. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #24
I do not think that theocracy is freedom. David__77 Feb 2012 #25
Neither is a dictatorship. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #26
Unless it is a US/UK/NATO supported dictatorship, then its all unicorns and ponies stockholmer Feb 2012 #27
I don't support US-backed dictatorships. False dichotomy. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #29
C'mon, Dave, you seriously believe this? AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #34
It's the "anything the West does is evil" brigade. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #36
You forgot to accuse me of loving Saddam Hussein. David__77 Feb 2012 #40
I call it cheerleading murders and thugs. Kurska Feb 2012 #41
What's this nonsense you post? David__77 Feb 2012 #45
LOL, calling BS when you support, say, China's policies in Tibet... Odin2005 Feb 2012 #42
You pile more McCarthyism on. David__77 Feb 2012 #44
In any thread involving Tibet you always agree with the propaganda... Odin2005 Feb 2012 #50
I support the position of the UN and the US that Tibet is a part of China. David__77 Feb 2012 #51
What about what the TIBETANS want??? Odin2005 Feb 2012 #52
I hop eit does not come here. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #55
Well that's ... predictable. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2012 #47
Exactly the same way that christx30 Feb 2012 #49
It never changes in US foreign policy Gringostan Feb 2012 #37
once again Centrik Feb 2012 #53
Navalny in Yale University Yalling Feb 2012 #56
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