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97. Yup, GOP Is In A Lose/Lose Here

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 04:13 PM

Apr 2013

Yes, of course they can try to say "Dems want to cut SS!!! Obama proposed it!!!"

But a year and a half from now, no one will remember or care. They will either know that the GOP is CURRENTLY running on cutting SS, OR they've done a 180 and now are running on PROTECTING SS.

Either way, they lose.

If the run on cutting, they own it and will get clobberred.

If they run on protectin it, 1. no one will believe them 2. good luck with their base and money men going with that strategy.

It will be exceedingly difficult to hold their coalition together.

All Dems have to do is stick with their traditional role of protecting SS and clobber the GOP for embracing cuts. If the GOP says they want to protect SS, Dems say "Great! Let's do that!"

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Republicans embrace Obama�s offer to trim Social Security benefits [View all] Faygo Kid Apr 2013 OP

Obama was bluffing. GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #1

Sorry, i'm not buying what Obama is selling. Tender to the Bone Apr 2013 #4

Sorry wrong rtracey Apr 2013 #123

Sure Joe Bacon Apr 2013 #124

Hey, cool sig! MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #60

Yeah, and the Repukes are going to call. Here is a picture of this bit of governance Doctor_J Apr 2013 #79

Now they need to embrace tax reform Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #2

Which will not happen. emulatorloo Apr 2013 #12

Unless they want to hear the uproar from the base Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #18

You think the Repukes' base will be clamoring for tax hikes? Doctor_J Apr 2013 #80

You have it backwards Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #84

Ah, they fell for it! DJ13 Apr 2013 #3

Yep, he loss his game of chess ... but it was his strategy ... RKP5637 Apr 2013 #6

Wake me up when the Republicans embrace raising taxes. emulatorloo Apr 2013 #20

I hope that's the way it goes. RKP5637 Apr 2013 #24

A clever move on the part of the Republicans, perhaps..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #40

How do you figure? BlueStreak Apr 2013 #66

Damned straight! Remember in December when they REFUSED to raise taxes? MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #61

Oh Manny please false narratives are beneath you... Drew Richards Apr 2013 #89

can you expand on what MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #99

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #126

Can you imagine daybranch Apr 2013 #75

Yup, GOP Is In A Lose/Lose Here Skraxx Apr 2013 #97

Yeah! You are pleased. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #102

No, I'm NOT pleased DJ13 Apr 2013 #112

It is sad but true, it seems. Jamastiene Apr 2013 #103

Soylent Green has to be just around the corner. RKP5637 Apr 2013 #5

I'm probably overly cynical but the movie ended too soon. delrem Apr 2013 #108

Yeah ... maybe even a sequel! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #110

So much for all the "12-dimensional chess" theories. femmocrat Apr 2013 #7

ya, they are all out in the yard maindawg Apr 2013 #8

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #9

Or maybe the DU Doomsday Scenario won't play out emulatorloo Apr 2013 #10

The DU Doomsday Scenario rarely plays out. Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #16

Some folks love having their hair on fire, I guess emulatorloo Apr 2013 #23

So Phlem Apr 2013 #30

How unwavering of you. nt truebluegreen Apr 2013 #36

I've seen a lot of this in action, and not just with stuff like this, but in general........ AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #42

It's like a toad in slowly heating water. Haven't you noticed? nt delrem Apr 2013 #50

And why, exactly, do you think the WH backed off of CCPI so quickly? cui bono Apr 2013 #101

What on earth are you talking about? Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #104

I'm talking about the fact that there hasn't been a peep about it since the backlash. cui bono Apr 2013 #105

There wouldn't have been a peep about it in any event. Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #111

Oh, I hope you are right. But I'm certain you're not. cui bono Apr 2013 #118

How about we meet here Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #120

No, the R's will agree to a token tax rise, now they're cutting to the bone. delrem Apr 2013 #54

it's playing out now with the sequester Enrique Apr 2013 #115

Who could have predicted this? blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #11

In 2 weeks Boehner will be storming out of the negotiations emulatorloo Apr 2013 #15

IOW, you are hoping that Boehner saves Democrats and OASDI from Obama? merrily Apr 2013 #53

No, I understand that this is a big fake deal emulatorloo Apr 2013 #125

Obama must have been planning this since before his inauguration. merrily Apr 2013 #127

And I predict that is not all they want. zeemike Apr 2013 #17

As we all know Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #13

Funny, I can't remember a DEMOCRAT ever mentioning it until now. MNBrewer Apr 2013 #32

A True Democrat didn't mention it this time. truebluegreen Apr 2013 #39

HERESY!!!! MNBrewer Apr 2013 #44

What can I say? truebluegreen Apr 2013 #46

I believe Clinton and Carter Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #68

What did they propose? MNBrewer Apr 2013 #72

Carter yes...but Clinton you gotta be f@@#%@#& kidding me Drew Richards Apr 2013 #88

+1000 n/t truebluegreen Apr 2013 #37

That is the job of Republicans, their duty to their base. The job of Democrats is to oppose them, merrily Apr 2013 #57

+10000 Liberalynn Apr 2013 #91

You realize that's far worse than him having put it in at the Republican's request? cui bono Apr 2013 #106

I don't know where this idiocy is coming from, really. Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #109

Well now you're contradicting yourself. You said no GOP ever mentioned touching SS. n/t cui bono Apr 2013 #117

Where did I say THAT? n/t Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #121

YAWN Iliyah Apr 2013 #14

Well let's hope it is negative bullshit. zeemike Apr 2013 #21

Are you sure he isn't trying to cut entitlements? merrily Apr 2013 #59

Wow, I've never looked at it that way. Obama has been trying to cut SS since 2009. fasttense Apr 2013 #71

But-but-but... brooklynite Apr 2013 #19

Obama legacy the destruction of SS and Medicare bowens43 Apr 2013 #22

Privatization is the next logical progression. jsr Apr 2013 #25

You know, your post convinces me that this is, ultimately, wiggs Apr 2013 #52

There are at least ten ways not to weaken OASDI without CCPI. merrily Apr 2013 #65

Honestly, how does that make any sense? cui bono Apr 2013 #107

Maybe its the start of CPI or maybe its the start of the republicans being stupid and cstanleytech Apr 2013 #26

Obama's been pretty good at brinkmanship......n/t AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #43

..as the unwavering apologists frantically search for a new meme. forestpath Apr 2013 #27

Obama's proposal came with non-negotiable attachments bhikkhu Apr 2013 #28

Non-negotiable AND just a starting point? MNBrewer Apr 2013 #31

As in, if you want chained CPI, that's the price bhikkhu Apr 2013 #34

I don't recall "non-negotiable" being mentioned about anything MNBrewer Apr 2013 #38

No, CCPI is not inevitable and it does not preserve the income OASDI recipients. merrily Apr 2013 #67

Non-negotiable. Yeah, first, best and last offer that always works with a co-equal merrily Apr 2013 #62

Can you link to the description of that offset, please? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #69

Me neither Liberalynn Apr 2013 #95

Didn't you know this budget has only one line in it? treestar Apr 2013 #74

�It�s too bad it�s in the budget,� Pelosi said. MNBrewer Apr 2013 #29

No, No, No... Phlem Apr 2013 #35

She also said that changes to the COLA were not cuts. Not as though she knows better merrily Apr 2013 #64

what happens daybranch Apr 2013 #33

DeFazio on Chained CPI dhpgetsit Apr 2013 #41

Good job DeFazio. JEB Apr 2013 #56

Awesome! MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #63

We don't want the apologists' bubble to burst Doctor_J Apr 2013 #78

Brilliant Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #81

When The Floodgates Open ... cantbeserious Apr 2013 #45

News flash -- GOP loves this pile of shit Blue Owl Apr 2013 #47

I think yours is a bogus posit. cliffordu Apr 2013 #48

The R's will go for a token tax raise in exchange for this. It's worth it for them. Full stop. delrem Apr 2013 #49

Why don't those embracing chained CPI JEB Apr 2013 #51

Third Way Democrats should join them in that line Liberalynn Apr 2013 #96

Third way Democrats JEB Apr 2013 #113

So much for 12 dimensional checkers. Fuddnik Apr 2013 #55

Hahahaha... Yes, the republicans support Obama's Offer... we know. fascisthunter Apr 2013 #58

So where is the Lewinsky of our times to save SS ? jakeXT Apr 2013 #70

Even if there was one, the GOP wouldn't Myrina Apr 2013 #85

Thanks I had never seen that article dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #90

But I thought the GOP were going to reject it and run on saving SS in 2014. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #73

Indeed, NOW The GOP is Going to "Use' Obama to Gut SS! IOW, Obama is Just Too Stupid, Too Naive and Skraxx Apr 2013 #92

Not only that ... JoePhilly Apr 2013 #94

Awesome, they are going to go there. nt bemildred Apr 2013 #76

Win-win for Boner Doctor_J Apr 2013 #77

and today Obama proposes privatizing the TVA, another New Deal landmark yurbud Apr 2013 #82

This is not good. blackspade Apr 2013 #83

When Obama's idea of a tax break was a Soc Sec. tax "holiday," HomeboyHombre Apr 2013 #86

Relax, it's just the next move on this global thermonuclear chess game. progressoid Apr 2013 #87

STOP IT PROGRESSOID Skittles Apr 2013 #93

OF COURSE right on schedule! GOP grips and complains BUT behind they scenes they diabeticman Apr 2013 #98

Obama was not bluffing. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #100

Bluffing and it's bullshit. Stop listing to propaganda. santamargarita Apr 2013 #114

no one here is LISTING Skittles Apr 2013 #116

Obama's legacy? libdude Apr 2013 #119

Whatever Obama's intentions were with this drm604 Apr 2013 #122