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Peace Patriot

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64. This is as Alice-in-Wonderlandish as it gets...
Wed Apr 17, 2013, 12:20 AM
Apr 2013

--upside down, inside out and backwards.

1. In the United States, 75% of the votes are 'counted' by ONE. PRIVATE. FAR RIGHT-WING-CONNECTED. CORPORATION--ES&S, which bought out Diebold--using 'TRADE SECRET' code--code that the public is forbidden to review--with half the states doing NO AUDIT AT ALL (automatic comparison of electronic results to ballots--most because they HAVE NO ballot), and the other half doing a miserably inadequate 1% audit. And even if the fingernails of secretaries of state are pulled out and they are forced to do a recount--in the states that CAN do a recount--they only do 3% or so.

2. According to statisticians, and computer and election experts, 10% is the minimum audit needed to detect fraud in an electronic system.

3. Venezuela votes electronically, but uses OPEN SOURCE CODE--code that anyone may review and that belongs to the PUBLIC--and they do a whopping 55% audit--more than five times the minimum needed to detect fraud. Furthermore, Venezuelan elections are closely monitored by all the major election monitoring groups, by invitation of the Venezuelan government--the OAS, the EU, Unasur, the Carter Center and others, and Jimmy Carter recently said that Venezuela has "the best election system in the world." These groups do not just drop in on election day and make pronouncements. They help set up the system and monitor it all along the way. They KNOW what's needed--as to audits and other requirements of honest, transparent elections--and have repeatedly validated Venezuela's elections, including THIS election.

4. The U.S. State Department (Obama, H. Clinton) helped to legitimize the fascist military coup in Honduras by THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT holding an 'election' UNDER MARTIAL LAW, using entities like John McCain's INTERNATIONAL REPUBLICAN INSTITUTE to 'monitor' the voting. (John McCain has telecommunications and other interests in Honduras.) No reputable elections group in the world would touch that election. Talk about 'illegitimate.' Honduras has since become a Colombia-like killing field, as rightwing death squads murder hundreds of labor leaders, teachers, community activists, leftist politicians, journalists and others, and inflict a reign of terror on Hondurans, with every kind of oppression.

5. The U.S. (Obama, H. Clinton) did the same thing in Haiti--phoney election in which the party that represents 70% of Haitians was banned from the ballot!

6. As Mark Weisbrot has pointed out, the leftist Manual Obrador in Mexico lost the presidential election in 2005 by only 0.05% of the vote. Millions of Mexicans demanded a recount of Mexico's largely paper ballot system (but with highly riggable, PRIVATE electronics at the top of the chain, which the Bush Junta helped Mexico put in place). The U.S. (Bush Junta) immediately endorsed the rightwing candidate, Felipe Calderon (who also, like the fascists in Honduras and Colombia, has engaged in violent repression against labor leaders, community activists and peasants, in Oaxaca, and furthermore invited the corrupt, murderous, failed U.S. "war on drugs" into Mexico, for a bloodbath in the border areas--some 50,000 dead!) Why was that much closer election "legitimate" while Venezuela's (1.6% difference), with all of its safeguards and above-board systems, is not?


I am writing this for those of you who know instinctively that this U.S. government demand that Venezuela do a 100% recount is absurd. Your instincts are correct. I am also writing it for those who know nothing about these matters: Half the states in the U.S. cannot even DO a recount! Our system is 100% RIGGABLE by corporate CEO's whose far rightwing connections would make your hair stand on end.

Obama should be calling for 100% recounts HERE! Why isn't he? Why are our Democratic leaders as silent as the dead about OUR egregiously riggable system--and instead beat up on Venezuela, where they CAN prove, and HAVE proven, who was elected?

Not one elected official in this country can prove that he or she was actually elected. Not Obama. Not anybody else. NOT ONE OF THEM! Our system is UNVERIFIABLE, and has been rendered unverifiable DELIBERATELY--methodically, knowingly--and we can only wonder why and who is really calling the shots. WHO is picking and choosing among our already compromised and LIMITED political candidates--drenched with money, pandering to Corporate Media, and with ES&S/Diebold's noose around all of their necks? WHO is choosing who to give our power and our sovereignty TO? WHO is choosing our rulers? And are those "dark actors" the ones responsible for the wretchedness of this unrepresentative Congress, for the shackles on Obama, for the loony rightwing governors and state legislatures we see, and for the obvious wars being waged against the poor majority and all progressive policy?

And Obama--who surely knows all of this, and has to have agreed to it (along with other "deals" like no prosecution--and not even investigation--of Bush Junta war criminals)--dares to demand a 100% recount of Venezuela's election--a country whose president and whose poor majority DID EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to ensure a clean, honest, verifiable election system?!

It is just bizarre. It really is. Upside-down, inside out and backwards.

We really, really, REALLY need to understand this--however difficult and demoralizing it seems to be--because it is REALITY. Our system is rigged. It is anti-democratic, even to the very 'counting' of our votes. And it is producing office-holders--holders of OUR power as a people--who are clearly NOT acting in our interests, and are interfering against the peoples' interests in other countries--not just in the war zones of the Middle East but also in our own hemisphere. We need to face this. We need to expose it. We need overcome it--peacefully and democratically.

That is a difficult project, to say the least. But, hey, the people of this country have faced difficult projects before--on our long road to a fairer and more progressive society. We owe it to those who went before us, to straighten out the goddamned fascist disaster that has fallen upon us, starting with Reagan. And if Latin Americans--who have suffered so much grief at the hands of our ruling powers--can throw off those shackles, as they are doing in country after country, so can we.

The powers that control Obama KNOW that Latin America is undergoing a vast, deep, grass roots, leftist democracy revolution, and that Venezuela is the pioneer and inspirer of this amazing revolution. It has swept through most of South America, with strong leftists elected and re-elected in Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Ecuador, Uruguay, and soon to be re-elected in Chile (after a miserable rightwing hiatus), and into Central America (Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras until the coup). Their Corporate Media are doing their best to keep this information from us, precisely because they FEAR that we, too, will be inspired with democracy once again. And they REQUIRE their hand-picked office holders to LIE about Latin America's democracy revolution continuously and to engage in anti-democratic plots--with twisted lies like this one, about a 100% recount, and with worse.

Obama is obediently LYING. He has no other choice. And that lie--like the lie about the "constitutional crisis" in Honduras--is the visible element of a destabilization and overthrow plot, that Obama may or may not be in control of. I DO think that Obama was elected, by the way, but he was also PERMITTED TO BE elected, and that is the problem. We have been deliberately deprived of verifiable elections--and we had better be aware of how vulnerable this makes us to FUTURE Bush Juntas, beyond the misery of seeing a Democratic president propose cuts to Social Security and all our other current miseries. Worse is not only possible; it is likely, and it is all set up to have the APPEARANCE of legitimacy with no legitimacy at all.

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Count every vote Common Sense Party Apr 2013 #1
Here we go again. cartach Apr 2013 #44
Fix America first. tblue Apr 2013 #56
This. hifiguy Apr 2013 #117
We just never learn, do we? I am ashamed of my President on this issue. nt kelliekat44 Apr 2013 #150
Agreed. We should count every vote in our elections. Daniel537 Apr 2013 #91
Correct. So they should not have fair and honest elections. Common Sense Party Apr 2013 #93
Cute spin. Daniel537 Apr 2013 #94
Since we don't have honest and fair elections Fumesucker Apr 2013 #128
There weren't any problems with the vote. Ken Burch Apr 2013 #120
Aren't you surprised that only 51% of the people wanted Maduro? Common Sense Party Apr 2013 #126
No. I'd heard he was a cruddy campaigner and that his lead was dwindling Ken Burch Apr 2013 #143
are you in Venez now? If not, you do not know what's happening. BTW, Capriles has lots of support wordpix Apr 2013 #148
I heard from a Venezuelan the gov. was burning votes wordpix Apr 2013 #152
Votes are recorded electronically, with paper printed out for backup killbotfactory Apr 2013 #154
What's Spanish for dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #2
So you're in favor of not counting the votes? Where have I heard that before? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #6
The results do not cross the threshold for a recount... Mika Apr 2013 #9
It was achieved by the opposition. mecherosegarden Apr 2013 #55
There's no conditional threshold in Venezuela. joshcryer Apr 2013 #69
They were passed by the election commission dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #14
Yes, I'm surprised Maduro didn't end up with 105% of the vote. Common Sense Party Apr 2013 #17
Might be advantageous to all concerned if you lodge your surprise with 140+ international observers LanternWaste Apr 2013 #106
If the elections there are so fair and clean, they shouldn't be opposed to a recount. Common Sense Party Apr 2013 #107
The election commission has not observed the formal complaint. joshcryer Apr 2013 #70
What votes weren't counted? -nt Bradical79 Apr 2013 #95
The votes were already counted. The result is legitimate. Ken Burch Apr 2013 #119
One can only imagine where you'd come down had the results been reversed. I can imagine you.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #122
No I wouldn't...considering that the results were counted by the Venezuelan government Ken Burch Apr 2013 #123
I could care less who "governs" Venezuela, but this was really close based on pre-election polling. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #125
There wasn't going to be any way to be "pro-business" and still help the poor Ken Burch Apr 2013 #145
Venez. gov. is bought & owned by the former dictator & his people want to stay in power wordpix Apr 2013 #149
What's Spanish for "projection"? n/t Orsino Apr 2013 #96
Or Spanish for 'Mind Your Own Business'? We've got plenty to do right here. freshwest Apr 2013 #133
OH, BS DiverDave Apr 2013 #3
Ummm, Florida 2000? Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #4
The Washington Consensus Doesn't Like The Outcome GETPLANING Apr 2013 #5
And everyone who does "like the outcome" aren't at all prone to conspiracies, right? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #7
I've re-read yours several times, and it makes no sense, at all. n/t ronnie624 Apr 2013 #66
See this interesting contrast in US reaction to a "close" election: Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #18
Thanks for the perspective. PufPuf23 Apr 2013 #25
Most excellent post, Judy. It glaringly highlights the hypocrisy of the State Department. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #28
What the US says or doesn't say is irrelevant. joshcryer Apr 2013 #82
Exactly. The facts really do matter. Coyotl Apr 2013 #77
Weisbrot is wrong about the count. joshcryer Apr 2013 #81
It has been alleged? bitchkitty Apr 2013 #99
By Very Sore Loser & Co (tm). See post #97 for the answers to BS allegations. idwiyo Apr 2013 #102
Yea, I know - I was just trying to get bitchkitty Apr 2013 #115
Capriles. joshcryer Apr 2013 #116
Why the fuck would Venezuela care what we say? Champion Jack Apr 2013 #8
+1 JustAnotherGen Apr 2013 #11
Bingo.... nt Ernesto Apr 2013 #12
Yep! WCGreen Apr 2013 #23
Because we'll infect Maduro with cancer just like we did with Chavez Freddie Stubbs Apr 2013 #34
We'll definitely interfere in their political process. ronnie624 Apr 2013 #67
The hypocrisy is hilarious. nt roody Apr 2013 #10
+oo Vincardog Apr 2013 #32
Damn Solly Mack Apr 2013 #13
If Venezuela isn't careful demwing Apr 2013 #15
Obama disappoints Stewland Apr 2013 #16
And everybody on this board, myself too, voted for him. BadtotheboneBob Apr 2013 #19
Getting a little crowded under the bus, as well as mashed! n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #20
Yeah but it's lively tblue Apr 2013 #57
One can learn to enjoy the view of the exhaust pipe jsr Apr 2013 #74
He's been really bad on Latin America policy. Daniel537 Apr 2013 #92
this just in from the "you've got to be fucking shitting me" desk frylock Apr 2013 #21
^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^ +1000000000000000 Coyotl Apr 2013 #76
The election was very close, why not do a full recount? n/t OKNancy Apr 2013 #22
Why not let our supreme court decide ? bahrbearian Apr 2013 #45
lol Jefferson23 Apr 2013 #129
Because, obviously, it didn't achieve the threshold required. ronnie624 Apr 2013 #68
What "threshold required"? joshcryer Apr 2013 #71
just like in the US reorg Apr 2013 #24
Everyone knows Chavez's brother was in charge of the deciding state..... go west young man Apr 2013 #26
lol La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #29
Whoops! n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #30
our "adminstration" should do more about vote counting at home and skip venezuela nt msongs Apr 2013 #27
Exactly, because we all know Romney stole the election. Puzzledtraveller Apr 2013 #142
This message has been brought to you by... Mnpaul Apr 2013 #31
He also worked for the little fascist Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #35
yet another reason Carolina Apr 2013 #109
Oh Really? bl968 Apr 2013 #33
Recount SamKnause Apr 2013 #36
The State Department said it was "difficult to understand" november3rd Apr 2013 #37
All the manpower, all the cash, and all we could do is make it close. retread Apr 2013 #38
Karl Rove: Mnpaul Apr 2013 #40
Why didn't Venezuela refuse to accept our election results in 2000 and 2004. olddad56 Apr 2013 #39
Wish Venezuela had demanded a full recount of the Downwinder Apr 2013 #41
I wish our own Senate had demanded a full recount of the Bush/Gore election Mnpaul Apr 2013 #49
Thank you for posting this Carolina Apr 2013 #112
One more thing Carolina Apr 2013 #113
My heart broke in half that day. n/t bitchkitty Apr 2013 #134
Is our president channeling Bush more every day? Doctor_J Apr 2013 #42
The US needs to stop acting like Capitalism = Freedom Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #43
count every vote, what's the problem?? n/t Bacchus4.0 Apr 2013 #46
a hostile foreign government challenging an election? Doctor_J Apr 2013 #62
The US is not "challening an election." joshcryer Apr 2013 #73
Really? Doctor_J Apr 2013 #85
Right, but that's not saying they think the other guy won. joshcryer Apr 2013 #87
Of course they wouldn't like it! Capriles best buddies from CIA will try their best to make it worse idwiyo Apr 2013 #104
um...The State Department doesn't have the best record on these matters Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #47
Humph. He won by over 50% of the vote arikara Apr 2013 #48
I think the US should start at home first adieu Apr 2013 #50
Looks like it isn't just the GOP who is immune to irony. malthaussen Apr 2013 #51
We'd accept the results in a heartbeat if it was a RW fascist dicator who'd gotten elected. Zorra Apr 2013 #52
Seriously? Heh..? Like we have any standing???? Taverner Apr 2013 #53
If only the US ran such great elections Smilo Apr 2013 #54
Yes, keep recounting the votes until the candidate favored by our corporations wins. PSPS Apr 2013 #58
But the coups in Honduras and Paraguay are a-OK. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #59
Venezuela nationalized their oil The Wizard Apr 2013 #60
Ooooooh, the irony! I have to go lay down. n/t bitchkitty Apr 2013 #61
I stand with Obama & Kerry on this one. Recount! Pterodactyl Apr 2013 #63
Kerry demanding a recount roody Apr 2013 #89
This is as Alice-in-Wonderlandish as it gets... Peace Patriot Apr 2013 #64
The 54% audit requires observers. They didn't have observers in 10-15% of stations. joshcryer Apr 2013 #72
looks like you are hallucinating again reorg Apr 2013 #79
It is alleged they were forcefully removed. joshcryer Apr 2013 #80
no, it is NOT alleged reorg Apr 2013 #83
OK, I see where I miscommunicated. joshcryer Apr 2013 #84
excellent post Carolina Apr 2013 #111
Great post - thanks! byeya Apr 2013 #144
What was Obama's opinion on the US election of 2000? nt Incitatus Apr 2013 #65
he didn't Carolina Apr 2013 #110
Well, it's not their country, so there! Coyotl Apr 2013 #75
+1 Daniel537 Apr 2013 #90
Wow. Mr_Jefferson_24 Apr 2013 #78
I wonder how the US would react if say England wouldn't accept our election result? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #86
Oh, the irony! City Lights Apr 2013 #88
Capriles Falsifies Evidence in Order to Claim Fraud in Venezuela’s Elections Catherina Apr 2013 #97
Wish I could rec this. idwiyo Apr 2013 #100
Arrest warrant issued against Capriles. dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #101
Wow, I just looked at his twitter feed Catherina Apr 2013 #103
Maybe its just a bus ticket. dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #105
It seems counterproductive for the US to weigh in on this... octothorpe Apr 2013 #98
what a hoot Carolina Apr 2013 #108
Even the OAS just broke ranks with the US Catherina Apr 2013 #114
Still intervening in other countries' affairs on behalf of the rich and the corporations. Ken Burch Apr 2013 #118
what a ridiculous joke Enrique Apr 2013 #121
What should be a scandal? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2013 #130
How DARE Venezuelans once again defy the Petroleum-Industrial-Complex! Ken Burch Apr 2013 #124
Maduro to the US: "Don't recognize anything. Your recognition does not matter to us," Catherina Apr 2013 #127
Ooooo, that's gotta smart. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #132
Me too. These last few days my admiration for him has grown by leaps and bounds Catherina Apr 2013 #137
I live in Ecuador Catherina. Puglover Apr 2013 #140
We are coming for you baby. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2013 #131
Is there some indication what these supposed irregularities were fujiyama Apr 2013 #135
Yeah ... their puppet didn't win ... Nihil Apr 2013 #138
National Lawyers Guild urges Obama to recognize new Maduro government Catherina Apr 2013 #136
It is hard to understand how Obama would ignore what the Carter Foundation has stated Judi Lynn Apr 2013 #147
Capriles advisor says he just wanted to cause a scandal. Capriles knew he lost. Audio Catherina Apr 2013 #139
so now I'm wondering how azurnoir Apr 2013 #141
Capriles has not addressed those statements. joshcryer Apr 2013 #146
They are trying to delegitimize Maduro's government killbotfactory Apr 2013 #151
Like Venezuela cares what we think. Rex Apr 2013 #153
Venezuela's Election System Holds Up As A Model For The World Judi Lynn May 2013 #155
Sounds better than ours. ozone_man May 2013 #156
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