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In reply to the discussion: US won't accept Venezuela election result, says full recount still needed [View all]Catherina
(35,568 posts)139. Capriles advisor says he just wanted to cause a scandal. Capriles knew he lost. Audio
Being discussed in the Latin American forum right now
Presentator:
"They know quite well that they lost. You want to know why I say that? (...) one of the closest advisers to Henrique Capriles, who takes part in meetings every Monday in a place they call "La Peña" (...) They know and they say that the opposition lost. Lost the election. Now they are inventing this (points to newspaper), and remember that we said, right here, they were going to claim fraud. People said "paranoid", "always saying that"... They claimed fraud. They were already claiming fraud before April 14. (...)
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Phone calls:
Dr Luis Ugueto Arizmendi = LUA
Unidentified man: And what do you think about not recognizing (the results)?
LUA: Of recognizing it, because they have to make the counting, it seems to me that now we have to get as boastful as we can since they have been kicking us all this time, right?
Unidentified man: Well, this is true indeed.
LUA: So, I believe that's ok.
Unidentified man: And did you hear something about it being true that it's false, if it's true that the numbers are false or something?
LUA: It's already recognized, there's already an issue (decision) by the National Electoral Council.
Unidentified man: Ok, but when Capriles started saying he did not recognize it?
LUA: Because he wanted to make them recount everything.
Unidentified man: Ok. So, would you say this is the best scenario?
LUA: The best scenario? No.
Unidentified man: The best scenario after winning, of course.
LUA: No we didn't win, we lost.
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Carmen Luisa: What else? How were things at the La Pena (meeting) yesterday?
LUA: Well, very busy, because the results hadn't come out yet, no one could get to Caracas, no one could pass through Caracas.
Carmen Luisa: No
LUA: Then when we saw Capriles' speech on television, people began to arrive, people, people, people filling the house again.
Carmen Luisa: What do you think Luis?
LUA: Think about what?
Carmen Luisa: Will this lead to anything?
LUA: No No, this is his own operation... to keep the interest (the attention) of his voters. So he has to stay very comfortable, not keeping his mouth shut, because he has to make a scandal, but being very comfortable with that.
Carmen Luisa: Yes, of course. But he has to do this for his elect(gets cut off)
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LUA: How are things?
Unidentified man: Very good, I feel very good, very positive.
LUA: And I think you should.
Unidentified man: I think it's the best scenario, I think it's better to lose with these votes than to have won with 50,000 votes.
LUA: Losing? We won, this was an ultra win.
Unidentified man: Sure, but I still think it would be better for the future of the country if we had really won, really won with 50 thousand votes.
Source:
http://www.radiomundial.com.ve/article/asesor-de-henrique-capriles-reconoce-derrota-del-14-audiovideo
Presentator:
"They know quite well that they lost. You want to know why I say that? (...) one of the closest advisers to Henrique Capriles, who takes part in meetings every Monday in a place they call "La Peña" (...) They know and they say that the opposition lost. Lost the election. Now they are inventing this (points to newspaper), and remember that we said, right here, they were going to claim fraud. People said "paranoid", "always saying that"... They claimed fraud. They were already claiming fraud before April 14. (...)
---------------------
Phone calls:
Dr Luis Ugueto Arizmendi = LUA
Unidentified man: And what do you think about not recognizing (the results)?
LUA: Of recognizing it, because they have to make the counting, it seems to me that now we have to get as boastful as we can since they have been kicking us all this time, right?
Unidentified man: Well, this is true indeed.
LUA: So, I believe that's ok.
Unidentified man: And did you hear something about it being true that it's false, if it's true that the numbers are false or something?
LUA: It's already recognized, there's already an issue (decision) by the National Electoral Council.
Unidentified man: Ok, but when Capriles started saying he did not recognize it?
LUA: Because he wanted to make them recount everything.
Unidentified man: Ok. So, would you say this is the best scenario?
LUA: The best scenario? No.
Unidentified man: The best scenario after winning, of course.
LUA: No we didn't win, we lost.
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Carmen Luisa: What else? How were things at the La Pena (meeting) yesterday?
LUA: Well, very busy, because the results hadn't come out yet, no one could get to Caracas, no one could pass through Caracas.
Carmen Luisa: No
LUA: Then when we saw Capriles' speech on television, people began to arrive, people, people, people filling the house again.
Carmen Luisa: What do you think Luis?
LUA: Think about what?
Carmen Luisa: Will this lead to anything?
LUA: No No, this is his own operation... to keep the interest (the attention) of his voters. So he has to stay very comfortable, not keeping his mouth shut, because he has to make a scandal, but being very comfortable with that.
Carmen Luisa: Yes, of course. But he has to do this for his elect(gets cut off)
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LUA: How are things?
Unidentified man: Very good, I feel very good, very positive.
LUA: And I think you should.
Unidentified man: I think it's the best scenario, I think it's better to lose with these votes than to have won with 50,000 votes.
LUA: Losing? We won, this was an ultra win.
Unidentified man: Sure, but I still think it would be better for the future of the country if we had really won, really won with 50 thousand votes.
Source:
http://www.radiomundial.com.ve/article/asesor-de-henrique-capriles-reconoce-derrota-del-14-audiovideo
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US won't accept Venezuela election result, says full recount still needed [View all]
azurnoir
Apr 2013
OP
We just never learn, do we? I am ashamed of my President on this issue. nt
kelliekat44
Apr 2013
#150
are you in Venez now? If not, you do not know what's happening. BTW, Capriles has lots of support
wordpix
Apr 2013
#148
So you're in favor of not counting the votes? Where have I heard that before?
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2013
#6
Might be advantageous to all concerned if you lodge your surprise with 140+ international observers
LanternWaste
Apr 2013
#106
If the elections there are so fair and clean, they shouldn't be opposed to a recount.
Common Sense Party
Apr 2013
#107
One can only imagine where you'd come down had the results been reversed. I can imagine you....
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2013
#122
No I wouldn't...considering that the results were counted by the Venezuelan government
Ken Burch
Apr 2013
#123
I could care less who "governs" Venezuela, but this was really close based on pre-election polling.
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2013
#125
There wasn't going to be any way to be "pro-business" and still help the poor
Ken Burch
Apr 2013
#145
Venez. gov. is bought & owned by the former dictator & his people want to stay in power
wordpix
Apr 2013
#149
And everyone who does "like the outcome" aren't at all prone to conspiracies, right?
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2013
#7
Most excellent post, Judy. It glaringly highlights the hypocrisy of the State Department.
Comrade Grumpy
Apr 2013
#28
Everyone knows Chavez's brother was in charge of the deciding state.....
go west young man
Apr 2013
#26
our "adminstration" should do more about vote counting at home and skip venezuela nt
msongs
Apr 2013
#27
Of course they wouldn't like it! Capriles best buddies from CIA will try their best to make it worse
idwiyo
Apr 2013
#104
We'd accept the results in a heartbeat if it was a RW fascist dicator who'd gotten elected.
Zorra
Apr 2013
#52
Yes, keep recounting the votes until the candidate favored by our corporations wins.
PSPS
Apr 2013
#58
The 54% audit requires observers. They didn't have observers in 10-15% of stations.
joshcryer
Apr 2013
#72
I wonder how the US would react if say England wouldn't accept our election result?
DainBramaged
Apr 2013
#86
Still intervening in other countries' affairs on behalf of the rich and the corporations.
Ken Burch
Apr 2013
#118
Maduro to the US: "Don't recognize anything. Your recognition does not matter to us,"
Catherina
Apr 2013
#127
Me too. These last few days my admiration for him has grown by leaps and bounds
Catherina
Apr 2013
#137
It is hard to understand how Obama would ignore what the Carter Foundation has stated
Judi Lynn
Apr 2013
#147
Capriles advisor says he just wanted to cause a scandal. Capriles knew he lost. Audio
Catherina
Apr 2013
#139