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24. I feel a wave of patriotism coming over me. Guess I'd better go out and shop!

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Fri Apr 19, 2013, 11:19 PM

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No Miranda rights for now for bombing suspect [View all] kpete Apr 2013 OP

yeah fuck the constitution!!11!!! Kali Apr 2013 #1

Did Dzhokhar and Tamerlane Tsarnaev care about the Constitutional rights.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2013 #5

does any criminal? Kali Apr 2013 #9

We ARE BETTER THAN THEM! LovingA2andMI Apr 2013 #14

Good God vrp Apr 2013 #25

Thank you. defacto7 Apr 2013 #55

Agreed Sherman A1 Apr 2013 #70

Agreed! nt avebury Apr 2013 #80

Yes, God is good LovingA2andMI Apr 2013 #86

Are you for fucking real? premium Apr 2013 #94

Groupthink, I see/read... LovingA2andMI Apr 2013 #103

You need a civics class! vrp Apr 2013 #101

So, again.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2013 #102

What about me? vrp Apr 2013 #105

President Obama's LovingA2andMI Apr 2013 #107

Naturalized citizens have every right natural-born Americans have Daniel537 Apr 2013 #121

Nope, sorry. Thanks for playing. eggplant Apr 2013 #27

He's a muslim. Arrowhead2k1 Apr 2013 #42

No "Game Playing" required or necessary, instead LovingA2andMI Apr 2013 #89

Why do you hate America and out Constitution? kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #47

So since the President of the United States LovingA2andMI Apr 2013 #90

Inquiring minds want to know why you're here premium Apr 2013 #95

Because... LovingA2andMI Apr 2013 #106

And some of us are in an awful hurry to stop being better. n/t Orsino Apr 2013 #73

did you say the same John2 Apr 2013 #76

If you don't make Constitutional Rights and Miranda avebury Apr 2013 #78

In this case I agree with you. I cried over that little boy....crying right now. n/t SylviaD Apr 2013 #122

The constitution defines how the GOVERNMENT is supposed to behave adieu Apr 2013 #21

Perfect. Nicely put. Ed Suspicious Apr 2013 #65

People like you really scare me! Wind Dancer Apr 2013 #48

If you apply your theory, there would never be any Miranda rights, JDPriestly Apr 2013 #49

Exactly.... Well said.... midnight Apr 2013 #100

I was waiting for the punchline... but you seem to be serious cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #50

With your logic Bush/Cheney should be shot bjobotts Apr 2013 #59

Welcome to DU. n/t Orsino Apr 2013 #74

So we beome just like them? atreides1 Apr 2013 #82

He is a citizen just like you curlyred Apr 2013 #93

Yes, the Constitution should only apply to shoplifters Hugabear Apr 2013 #120

Fuckin' A! Miranda rights are only for good guys! RufusTFirefly Apr 2013 #16

as long as we are SAFE! safe, watching the tee vee Kali Apr 2013 #19

I feel a wave of patriotism coming over me. Guess I'd better go out and shop! RufusTFirefly Apr 2013 #24

let's not forget it's just a "damn piece of paper" Mira Apr 2013 #20

Yeah, fuck the Constitutiion! As W said it's just a piece of paper. And, thank Jeebus, our wonderful kath Apr 2013 #22

Mob rule huh. Just hang 'em.Graham gooberism. bjobotts Apr 2013 #62

Any statement made would not be used in a trial. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #26

Completely unnecessary. And the information gained would not save lives. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #52

And you know this how, exactly? Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #83

Thank you! LovingA2andMI Apr 2013 #88

The Supreme Court has said statements made can be used at trial. former9thward Apr 2013 #97

Do you understand the Miranda rule? geek tragedy Apr 2013 #40

It is unnecessary. It will not be difficult to get this young man to talk. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #53

I understand the thinking ... brett_jv Apr 2013 #2

Not if the NDAA has anything to say about it..... midnight Apr 2013 #3

Not unconstitutional at all. The only prohibition is using what was said during custodial 24601 Apr 2013 #4

They're invoking a SCOTUS "public safety exception" to DirkGently Apr 2013 #8

The "Public Safety Exception" is broad, but it still has its limitations happyslug Apr 2013 #18

It appears to be part of this administration's terror policy. DirkGently Apr 2013 #30

Makes sense. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #58

Propably why the official described the public safety exception and then said, "...and to try 24601 Apr 2013 #75

Exactly LovingA2andMI Apr 2013 #108

Does he have the right to deny post-Miranda what he said pre-Miranda? JDPriestly Apr 2013 #56

You are asking TWO questions, use of pre Miranda to impeachment a Witness AND use for other purposes happyslug Apr 2013 #87

Miranda Rights only kick in if you want to question the suspect. happyslug Apr 2013 #6

You are generally correct jberryhill Apr 2013 #7

Would be helpful to know if they were coached in their bomb-making and event planning... JudyM Apr 2013 #13

That does NOT come under the Public Safety Exception to the Miranda Rule happyslug Apr 2013 #23

In the interest of neutralizing any imminent threats from others in their group, if there is a group JudyM Apr 2013 #123

It's remarkable how few people understand that kudzu22 Apr 2013 #43

Good points. They do not need to set aside his Miranda rights. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #60

Thank you George W. Bush and Dick Cheney BanTheGOP Apr 2013 #10

And Barak Hussein Obama for walking down the same path. It is his fucking call... Purveyor Apr 2013 #29

All Miranda rule means is that they can't use what he says against geek tragedy Apr 2013 #41

Thank you! LovingA2andMI Apr 2013 #109

It Also Means RobinA Apr 2013 #117

miranda rights just get in the way of justice dmrtndl1 Apr 2013 #11

Look to the Hague.Last administration's home. bjobotts Apr 2013 #64

So his confession will be inadmissable... bhikkhu Apr 2013 #12

I think you will find extreme exigent circumstances here allowing questioning around other possible RBInMaine Apr 2013 #15

I have a tough time with this but - I still need to think about this one jg15 Apr 2013 #31

But why risk it. It takes less time to recite DeadEyeDyck Apr 2013 #91

I think the reasoning of the Public Safety Exception bhikkhu Apr 2013 #92

It Does Seem RobinA Apr 2013 #118

I Don't Understand these Ridiculous Decisions! mckara Apr 2013 #17

Lindsey Graham vrp Apr 2013 #28

Well look on the bright side! BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #112

It's been constitutional since 1980: Public Safety Exemption (New York v. Quarles) frazzled Apr 2013 #32

So basically they need some time to torture him........Obama is no better than bush on civil rights bowens43 Apr 2013 #35

If that does indeed happen (which I don't think it will), and THEN he gets to have his day in court? Volaris Apr 2013 #51

Good lord frazzled Apr 2013 #72

Flame bait ... eom Kolesar Apr 2013 #81

if the feds have enough evidence to convict without a confession rollin74 Apr 2013 #33

It isn't about that--it's about getting him to talk about where he got his bomb making help. MADem Apr 2013 #68

Obama Bush...... meet the new boss, same as the old boss bowens43 Apr 2013 #34

Really? LovingA2andMI Apr 2013 #110

It Strikes Me RobinA Apr 2013 #119

. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #36

Ugh. We are supposed to be better than this... AzDar Apr 2013 #37

Due process is supposed to be guaranteed for every citizen. Mr.Pain Apr 2013 #38

I have to remind folks Adam-Bomb Apr 2013 #39

The one in custody became a citizen kudzu22 Apr 2013 #44

That can be revoked though. cstanleytech Apr 2013 #46

Yes they are--the kid got citizenship on 911, ironically. Or not. MADem Apr 2013 #67

Good point LovingA2andMI Apr 2013 #111

"this will backfire" Maybe, maybe not. cstanleytech Apr 2013 #45

I stand with the administration to make the decisions necessary for public safety. MOTRDemocrat Apr 2013 #54

Creepy lockstep loyalty plus gutter-level guilt by association RufusTFirefly Apr 2013 #61

And I got $50 that says that if the opposite had happened ... brett_jv Apr 2013 #98

Yep that's the Department of InJustice for ya..... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #57

He gets full rights or this isn't the USA. nt delrem Apr 2013 #63

Was this guy even coherent enough to be questioned ? steve2470 Apr 2013 #66

Martial Law and this... down the rabbit hole we go jakeXT Apr 2013 #69

While I think the suspect... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #113

Read him is rights. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #71

You are joking right? John2 Apr 2013 #79

Actually, that is a valid point. Even after being Mirandized, Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #84

Obviously, you don't understand. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #116

What's the big deal? secondvariety Apr 2013 #77

Read him his rights walkerbait41 Apr 2013 #85

sure soon they will read him his rights. republicans may call for him only in the Fed system. Sunlei Apr 2013 #96

It's amazing he's still alive. Nika Apr 2013 #99

It is amazing he is alive. Twice, a hail of police bullets. Sunlei Apr 2013 #104

Rachael Maddow Explains Why Dzhokar Tsarnaev was not read his Miranda rights.. Cha Apr 2013 #114

Every single day, our rights being dismantled woo me with science Apr 2013 #115