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32. There are several.

Tue Feb 7, 2012, 02:12 PM

Feb 2012

In fairness, fairly early on, I became disappointed. However, I guess these items built to a crescendo:

Arguing complete government immunity in the Jewell v. NSA case. (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/obama-doj-worse-than-bush)

In favor of indefinite detention (the irony of giving this speech in the national archives in front of the Constitution was not lost on me. (

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In favor of detention of acquitted individuals (http://www.talkleft.com/story/2009/7/8/15175/41817; http://jonathanturley.org/2009/07/08/12598/#more-12598)

Asserting the right to kill American citizens without trial. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/09/world/middleeast/secret-us-memo-made-legal-case-to-kill-a-citizen.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all)

Proposed cutting funding for the poor (https://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.usmayors.org/pressreleases/uploads/USCM-ON-FY2012-BUDGET.pdf&rct=j&sa=U&ei=tmgxT-_SG-P00gHH7qjRBw&ved=0CHEQFjAI&sig2=XzWJoEHOyZN5rk5kzGy08A&q=obama+community+development+block+grant&usg=AFQjCNFSPjtPOhN9AzwAyh8XjoCNVnkNhA&cad=rja)

This one item was the backbreaker: (http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/NDAA).

After that, I decided I wouldn't, COULDN'T, vote for him.

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Russ Feingold: Obama Super PAC Reversal Will Lead To 'A Legalized Abramoff System' [View all] avaistheone1 Feb 2012 OP

I don't think they have backed off criticism of the super PACs, they have backed off losing OKNancy Feb 2012 #1

Thank you. I couldn't agree more. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #3

Agree. They're bringing a gun to a gun fight. klook Feb 2012 #4

Back when special interest money started flooding into campaigns in the 90s, corrupting the entire groovedaddy Feb 2012 #24

Then we saw the power of the highest-bidder media. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #57

wishful thinking DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #58

A good from Robert Scheer on this very topic groovedaddy Feb 2012 #117

one quote that shows why his whole argument falls DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #128

I don't like Obama (and won't vote for him), but he's right on this one. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #7

Who do you plan on voting for? Firebrand Gary Feb 2012 #14

No idea. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #18

What issue is the deal breaker between yourself and Obama? Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #22

There are several. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #32

Fair enough. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #35

Count me curious. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #50

The not voting for him part. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #52

Interesting. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #55

I appreciate the opportunity to have a good discussion. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #56

Nicely done. 8^D We need more like you. truthisfreedom Feb 2012 #62

Fantastic Dialogue you two!! ermasdaughter Feb 2012 #74

"Fantastic" is exactly right. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #76

Please consider the possibility... The Doctor. Feb 2012 #63

Knowing that Lt. General DeWitt had misgivings about mass the internment of Japanese-Americans OnyxCollie Feb 2012 #67

False Parity is a sad resort of a desperate argument. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #68

Before you start shouting, "Argumentative fallacy!" OnyxCollie Feb 2012 #69

Yelling and screaming will not persuade me, The Doctor. Feb 2012 #71

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #72

Your true character is revealed. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #75

THIS PERSECUTION IS AN OUTRAGE! OnyxCollie Feb 2012 #73

Hmmmm.... FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #78

"if a person really believes in a particular point, they don't compromise on it" boppers Feb 2012 #81

Actually...no. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #82

"is always wrong" boppers Feb 2012 #83

"is always wrong"...yeah...some things are "always wrong." However, I'm curious when... FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #84

Some people keep killing until they're stopped. boppers Feb 2012 #93

I'm tired but I'll try again. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #95

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Wow. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #102

That's some wool. boppers Feb 2012 #103

Fantastic. Efficiency at last. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #104

"Silence has never equaled admission. " boppers Feb 2012 #115

Been there, done that. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #121

Not much imagination needed, as I once worked for an internet "tapping" company. boppers Feb 2012 #124

More satire. That's good. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #125

LOL, no, I was being serious. boppers Feb 2012 #141

Absolutes are always wrong.... It did seem that your post had 24601 Feb 2012 #114

That's not what I was saying. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #119

First and foremost, let me get one thing right out of the way... The Doctor. Feb 2012 #85

Let me get this out of the way. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #88

Do you know why he appointed Holder? The Doctor. Feb 2012 #91

Okay, I'd really like to know how you came to the conclusion that indefinite detention was something The Doctor. Feb 2012 #86

Huh? FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #89

I'm sorry. I looked and I wasn't able to find it. If you could please show me The Doctor. Feb 2012 #92

It's all here. If you can't see it, I give up. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #94

If it is there, then you can pinpoint it. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #99

Well, there it is. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #107

I didn't call you a wingnut, and you know it. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #111

Yeah, I think you did. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #120

Fish Swim. Yet swimming doesn't make you a fish. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #123

It is not my problem... FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #126

That doesn't work on me. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #131

I finally got it. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #142

Cute. But fail. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #143

You're funny. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #145

No insults, just factual observation. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #146

Since you're apparently not going to answer the question, I'll explain to the readers why. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #147

No. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #148

That's a pretty typical tactic. It doesn't work on me either. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #149

You go with that. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #150

I know you're looking for a way out. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #151

I think it's fun to watch your obsession with me. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #152

Oh, it's nothing so personal. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #153

What do you mean "Huh?"? The Doctor. Feb 2012 #98

Here. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #101

It always fascinates me when someone becomes condescending, The Doctor. Feb 2012 #112

Oh...now I get it. Satire. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #118

omg. inna Feb 2012 #137

I don't pretend to be something I'm not. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #138

I imagine many people sincerely believe they have... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #154

Such wise condescension. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #156

Thank you for all thesse links. truedelphi Feb 2012 #134

The NDAA codified what was already decided. By supreme law of the land (not the president). boppers Feb 2012 #97

They aren't "war prisoners." FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #100

...and "there is no spoon". boppers Feb 2012 #116

you're 100% correct, and this was a brilliant and noteworthy series of posts - inna Feb 2012 #136

+100 for this response. Thanks for sharing your awareness.... midnight Feb 2012 #139

'Awareness' of that which he cannot support The Doctor. Feb 2012 #144

There was a time when the Constitution was the Supreme Law of the Land. truedelphi Feb 2012 #135

Also, now the neanderathal Repubs will say "Look how evil democrat_patriot Feb 2012 #10

good thought OKNancy Feb 2012 #19

I'd like to think so, but republicans aren't known for being reasonable. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #26

Good point loyalsister Feb 2012 #66

Unfortunately, it won't work that way. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #87

BINGO MidwestTransplant Feb 2012 #29

Yep it's that simple n/t malaise Feb 2012 #31

exactly, too bad Russ didn't have the same eye on victory. grantcart Feb 2012 #46

Why won't he run against Walker? What are his plans? nt onehandle Feb 2012 #2

He's supposed to have been Law Professor-ing and ... Myrina Feb 2012 #43

principle is great and all qazplm Feb 2012 #5

Super (pac) DITTO! SoapBox Feb 2012 #23

I love Russ and miss him dearly, but I think he's a bit naive on this subject... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #6

Citizens United Big Tent Feb 2012 #17

We need to negotiate a truce, not unilaterally disarm. pnwmom Feb 2012 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author SaintPete Feb 2012 #9

Sorry Russ, you are on your own on this one. Firebrand Gary Feb 2012 #11

Sorry, Russ. Suggesting Obama unilaterally disarm is absurd. AtomicKitten Feb 2012 #12

Yes. Gun to a gun-fight. FredStembottom Feb 2012 #13

I like Russ more than I like Obama but he's not right here.... vi5 Feb 2012 #15

Sorry Russ, I disagree. BHO has to win another four years to give us a chance... Scuba Feb 2012 #16

How dare President Obama use the law created by the McCain-Feingold bill, complains Feingold! n/t Ian David Feb 2012 #20

Feingold Robbins Feb 2012 #21

I agree with Russ. And he's also soooooo wrong on this one. tpsbmam Feb 2012 #25

When does it end? The same arguments were made when special interest money started flooding groovedaddy Feb 2012 #27

On the other side, if we don't win, it sets the stage for stacking the deck. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #34

"corrupt the system so thoroughly" - I think we're already there. I'm not sure that we have to groovedaddy Feb 2012 #45

That, I believe is a wonderful point. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #155

Sorry, Russ, I see it as simply recognizing the law and the current playing field, elleng Feb 2012 #28

Why is it we only hear what Feingold has to say when he bashes Obama? JaneQPublic Feb 2012 #30

I rather suspect it has to do with our corporate media. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #37

Russ isn't bashing Obama. He's disagreeing with him. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #38

President Obama ProSense Feb 2012 #33

Is Feingold Inconveniently Right? CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #36

They're both right!!Russ is right that it will lead to a legalized Abramoff system & the President's Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #39

The Conservatives are freaking out! UCmeNdc Feb 2012 #40

yeah, arm one group with guns and the other groups says "we'll use sticks"...ah..no Russ..nt Demonaut Feb 2012 #41

Quelle surprise! Beacool Feb 2012 #42

It's ProSense Feb 2012 #44

Of course Democrats are glad that McCain lost. Beacool Feb 2012 #47

If the D super pacs can out-raise the R super pacs, the Rs will go running to the SCOTUS stopbush Feb 2012 #48

Russ, you lost a long time senate seat in a blue state Obama3_16 Feb 2012 #49

A winner does what a loser won't and President Obama is a winner graham4anything Feb 2012 #51

I can hope Super PACs will be just as bad, just as painful to the Republicans and they will also RickFromMN Feb 2012 #53

The President has to do what he has to do to survive until WE get strong enough to make patrice Feb 2012 #54

I love Russ Feingold, but he's wrong here. boxman15 Feb 2012 #59

why would Obama want a liberal Congress? He's not a liberal. provis99 Feb 2012 #70

That is WHO the White House campaigned for in the 2010 Democratic Primaries. bvar22 Feb 2012 #132

The only way to defeat SuperPacs is to show that they do not give the GOP an edge. McCamy Taylor Feb 2012 #60

i think the unions will be a big force in this election cycle madrchsod Feb 2012 #65

Russ Feingold is right on this topic.... midnight Feb 2012 #61

He is the only one who lives by his own principles. undeterred Feb 2012 #90

because of citizens united the unions can do the same as corporations... madrchsod Feb 2012 #64

As long as he pushes to eliminate the system in future elections, Obama is right. Kablooie Feb 2012 #77

He has not shown any inclination in that direction. woo me with science Feb 2012 #109

I really like Russ Hutzpa Feb 2012 #79

I understand Russ, and support him. bvar22 Feb 2012 #80

The DLC is gone. Get the heck over it. You have to compete against the big Puke money. Get real. RBInMaine Feb 2012 #106

The DLC is not "gone". bvar22 Feb 2012 #108

bvar22... woo me with science Feb 2012 #110

I will offer one DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #129

I love that Paul Wellstone quote..... He sure had his finger on the pulse of where this race to the midnight Feb 2012 #140

No it is SMART. Until we can reverse Citizens United, we need an even playing field. Feingold, you RBInMaine Feb 2012 #105

Russ Feingold's voice in the Senate is sorely missed fujiyama Feb 2012 #113

Yeah, I miss Feingold also. Sad that he's lost. truedelphi Feb 2012 #133

This would have been so much more effective from the Senate floor. Oh, right. nt msanthrope Feb 2012 #122

I love Russ too and miss him Worried senior Feb 2012 #127

And what do we have now grantcart Feb 2012 #130