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50. I didn't say she's innocent

Mon Apr 29, 2013, 12:17 AM

Apr 2013

I said it's not rape. It's probably child endangerment, sexual abuse, and who knows what else. The issue isn't whether the girl was forced to do what she did, we can all agree that's terrible, the question is whether rape is the proper description. I don't think the mother raped the child, if there was no physical contact between them, if she wasn't even present. It's just the wrong description for the crime. You might as well call it indecent exposure, or petty larceny, or murder. It's not a matter of guilt or innocence, it just doesn't describe the event.

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Girl, 14, forced to become pregnant with donor sperm bought by mother [View all] alp227 Apr 2013 OP

5 years? DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #1

Rape? thesquanderer Apr 2013 #7

What elements are missing such that you do not consider this rape? nt Xipe Totec Apr 2013 #24

How about no physical contact? (n/t) thesquanderer Apr 2013 #25

Amazing that someone could get pregnant without any physical contact! MADem Apr 2013 #26

The mother was not even in the room. Did you read the article? (n/t) thesquanderer Apr 2013 #31

She forced her child to put an object into her vagina against her will. bravenak Apr 2013 #44

I did read the article--the child was placed in a position where her mother FORCED her to have MADem Apr 2013 #48

I didn't say she's innocent thesquanderer Apr 2013 #50

She was penetrated against her will and she did not have a choice in the matter. MADem Apr 2013 #52

It usually involves invasion by a body part. Deep13 Apr 2013 #60

or an inanimate object penetrating the victim's body SemperEadem Apr 2013 #63

In this state a finger can be rape. I'd have to reread the... Deep13 Apr 2013 #68

Sexual act against her will? Aquavit Apr 2013 #29

"sexual act against her will" is not "rape" thesquanderer Apr 2013 #32

She was forced to physically penetrate herself vaginally Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #30

That may be rape in your book thesquanderer Apr 2013 #35

Here is how the federal statute reads: Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #47

Bingo! That's the standard according to the UCMJ, too. MADem Apr 2013 #49

But the mother did not perform the penetration! thesquanderer Apr 2013 #51

Yes, the mother DID perform the penetration. She forced the act with coercion. MADem Apr 2013 #53

I didn't say the mother was innocent! thesquanderer Apr 2013 #54

She provided the impetus (coercion) that resulted in penetration. MADem Apr 2013 #57

If I compel you Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #65

Really!!!! She should get 20 years for that sick shit. WhoWoodaKnew Apr 2013 #13

What the hell is wrong with people? This is beyond sick! Initech Apr 2013 #2

Some women are baby besotted to the point of insanity Warpy Apr 2013 #4

I am curious as to who and how FarPoint Apr 2013 #9

It says in the article they did it themselves. tammywammy Apr 2013 #10

Oh how sad..... FarPoint Apr 2013 #17

Turkey baster, most likely Warpy Apr 2013 #11

Story says the sperm was bought on the Internet. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2013 #12

Yeah? How was it kept alive for transport? Warpy Apr 2013 #37

In a thermos with priority shipping and instructions for thawing. /nt TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #41

Frozen, packed in dry ice. Sperm is shipped all the time. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2013 #46

Animal semen is a big business AngryAmish Apr 2013 #66

Most likely she was abused as a child. Gregorian Apr 2013 #21

This is truly another... SummerSnow Apr 2013 #3

A long time ago, more than 15 years, Bette Noir Apr 2013 #5

Yes why wasn't she in prison? And that's exactly what that was Triana Apr 2013 #16

Sicko! SoapBox Apr 2013 #6

Many of the inhabitants of this spinning dirt ball are fucken insane, literally. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #8

This is obviously extreme but in my time on earth, the stories I've read and heard, I'm... Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #14

These woman are rapists. Triana Apr 2013 #15

So rapist = mental health problems that obviously goes along with "danger to society"? Neoma Apr 2013 #28

+1,000 freshwest Apr 2013 #42

That story caused me to feel nausea. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #18

5 years for Child Cruelty? lib87 Apr 2013 #19

It's Great Britain--they often think too well of people, I'm afraid. MADem Apr 2013 #27

Holly shit I feel so sorry for that girl, my God. Sand Wind Apr 2013 #20

Ghastly. How dare she?! tblue Apr 2013 #22

This makes the Jerry Springer show look like church. L0oniX Apr 2013 #23

Sad, tragic TNNurse Apr 2013 #33

Five years. secondvariety Apr 2013 #34

Ridiculous sentence. This young girl should never have contact with this horrible person mbperrin Apr 2013 #36

I'll call this rape lobodons Apr 2013 #38

The mother probably got such a short sentence rocktivity Apr 2013 #39

All I Can Say- ruffburr Apr 2013 #40

Legally this may not be classified as rape. But there is a sick incestuous quality to this. Locut0s Apr 2013 #43

I think the coercion part of it is what makes it just despicable davidpdx Apr 2013 #45

I don't think the issue here is rape....it is forced pregnancy. Proletariatprincess Apr 2013 #55

sick motherfucker should rot in hell arely staircase Apr 2013 #56

I think it's interesting in these situations to ponder questions like ... brett_jv Apr 2013 #58

well, here is my two cents DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #61

In this state it's "gross sexual imposition" and probably "sexual assault" ... Deep13 Apr 2013 #59

In this case its self invasion dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #64

blaming the victim. "duress"? WTF. how low can you go? CreekDog Apr 2013 #67

You are blaming the victim : not me dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #70

"self invasion" were your words CreekDog Apr 2013 #71

Well, it's by force, so if the statute includes non-living objects... Deep13 Apr 2013 #69

nauseating. truthisfreedom Apr 2013 #62