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53. You are wasting energy by injecting facts into a discussion?

Reply to BlueCaliDem (Reply #33)

Tue Apr 30, 2013, 02:05 PM

Apr 2013

Bravo to you.

The reality is that for all of the 'progressives' in Congress the President has been alone on the issue.

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Obama On Closing Gitmo: �I�m Going To Go Back At This� [View all] DonViejo Apr 2013 OP

Pres. O, stands in front of the press for a longtime, everyone should hear this talk Sunlei Apr 2013 #1

why is extrajudicial killing of the innocent easier than extrajudicial letting the innocent go free? yurbud Apr 2013 #6

I don't know. Why do you think that is? Sunlei Apr 2013 #10

because of our stupid approach to terrorism NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #15

I agree the politics and the "for profit" private contractors are like leeches. Sunlei Apr 2013 #21

someone profits from the killing and imprisoning not the freeing. yurbud Apr 2013 #40

isn't it amazing when the rule of law matters and when it doesn't, or when there are conflicting law yurbud Apr 2013 #67

K&R midnight Apr 2013 #101

he was supposed to close Gitmo Bully Taw Apr 2013 #2

Say Bully you happen to think your obstructionist Congress had anything xtraxritical Apr 2013 #8

Yes, I do zipplewrath Apr 2013 #14

^^^ this ^^^ tblue Apr 2013 #19

Exactly. His promises were hot air from the word "go" Maven Apr 2013 #42

As always, watch what he does pscot Apr 2013 #50

No they did not. zeemike Apr 2013 #28

That is possibly the most ridiculous assertion I've ever heard, and that's really saying something.. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #38

Here I think is the show alp227 Apr 2013 #44

"can't be returned to their homelands because they'll be tortured and killed" ieoeja Apr 2013 #48

It would solve the problem, but only if you think torturing & killing is more humane than force..... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #51

House and Senate were D for first two years. Psephos Apr 2013 #65

you mean... Bully Taw May 2013 #108

So exactly what did President O "not do" as far as trying to close Gitmo in your book? Sunlei Apr 2013 #12

He closed the office zipplewrath Apr 2013 #29

did the official reports and mandates tell you that? Sunlei Apr 2013 #30

Huh? zipplewrath Apr 2013 #31

no I mean the 100 or so pages of public record listing every prisoner and whats up with each. Sunlei Apr 2013 #35

From January zipplewrath Apr 2013 #36

can I have a link to the legislation signed and who made your bolded statement, thanks. Sunlei Apr 2013 #54

Executive decision zipplewrath Apr 2013 #61

Thats because they made their reports a couple years ago. Why would they be needed now? Sunlei Apr 2013 #68

To continue to work the problem zipplewrath Apr 2013 #69

Everyone is listed out of the 166 and been worked as far as asking the countries to take them back. Sunlei Apr 2013 #70

Is it closed? zipplewrath Apr 2013 #73

well perhaps congress will have something to say when they are asked again to do their jobs. Sunlei Apr 2013 #74

And perhaps the president will act zipplewrath Apr 2013 #75

no he didn't. Didn't you even watch todays surprise presser? Sunlei Apr 2013 #79

Yes, did you hear the word "re-engage" zipplewrath Apr 2013 #89

reengage with congress. here is the press questions and answers. Sunlei Apr 2013 #93

And where does he discuss closing down the only office working it? zipplewrath Apr 2013 #99

What's he supposed to do, ignore the restrictions from Congress? Sunlei Apr 2013 #100

What he could have done zipplewrath May 2013 #102

ok, that's a long enough list. Sunlei May 2013 #103

There's a reason for everything... tarheelsunc Apr 2013 #49

9 dimensional chess? zipplewrath Apr 2013 #76

Still, I support him on closing shitmo 100% grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #22

He signed the EO to close it, but Congress STOPPED him by a 90-6 in the Senate. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #33

So it is now up to us to pressure congress alp227 Apr 2013 #45

You are wasting energy by injecting facts into a discussion? grantcart Apr 2013 #53

what does it tell you Bully Taw May 2013 #107

And I feel "a bit betrayed" by sloven incuriosity. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #43

I think if Obama could have done it -- alone -- he would have. gateley Apr 2013 #52

I don't think he realized that he has to find some other place to put the detainees marshall Apr 2013 #71

he can do it for about 100 prisoners in a second by lifting the ban on yemen xiamiam Apr 2013 #3

The point is their "home" and any other country does not want them. xtraxritical Apr 2013 #9

Yep. But liberal activists don't wanna hear that. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #34

that is not true..it is obama who is blocking them from Yemen xiamiam May 2013 #106

Their own country doesn't want them back! Sunlei Apr 2013 #13

Campaign promise = 1,562 days later and he's still got his team looking into what can be done. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #4

Do some research on Google, he was blocked by Congress. nt DonViejo Apr 2013 #11

Not an unusual belief. However, for your edification: Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #16

Glenn Greenwald is a partisan hack of the libertarian variety... DonViejo Apr 2013 #17

You got no facts in opposition on this one, Don. Just smear. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #18

Smear this... DonViejo Apr 2013 #20

You're all ad hominem. Nothing yet to refute the piece. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #23

And you've yet to go do your own research... DonViejo Apr 2013 #27

I know anti-Obamanite Libertarians of the Glenn Greenwald kind don't want to hear the truth about BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #37

Is this guy a partisan hack of the libertarian variety, too? OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #60

good post n/t Psephos Apr 2013 #66

Really? I'm a true believer and can never find fault with the President?... DonViejo Apr 2013 #87

I don't need a crystal ball. OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #88

Okay Onyx. You pretend to be a know it all about DonViejo, LOL DonViejo Apr 2013 #92

Let's tally the results. OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #94

LOL. Onyx. Thank for tonight's great after dinner laugh... DonViejo Apr 2013 #95

If only you spent as much time OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #96

Read the transcript of the entire response frazzled Apr 2013 #26

PB is still waiting approval by Glenn Greenwald to read the president's entire response. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #41

That left a mark grantcart Apr 2013 #85

What's he been waiting for? zipplewrath Apr 2013 #63

How about give the guys a habeas hearing in the US, and if they got nothing on them, give them a yurbud Apr 2013 #5

Sounds good to me. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #24

if they're innocent, they can live next door to me. yurbud Apr 2013 #25

+1 mike_c Apr 2013 #56

So if they're innocent... Earth_First Apr 2013 #91

With what funds? BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #39

There was an effort to renew? AllyCat Apr 2013 #7

"I" "Feel" "Betrayed" alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #32

Obama says that he will try and close "Gitmo" again, but please understand... Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #46

fact shmacts. grantcart Apr 2013 #57

It Is a Massive Problem, grantcart, and requires many forms of co-operation.. Cha Apr 2013 #84

fact shmacts. grantcart Apr 2013 #57

But he can hold them on his authority alone zipplewrath Apr 2013 #62

We should pressure Congress treestar Apr 2013 #64

Congress is playing a dangerous game of "Boy who cried war". napoleon_in_rags Apr 2013 #77

Exactly!!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #81

To show his sincerity, he should hold a press conference in Guantanamo. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #47

and then take all the innocent guys home with him in Air Force One or at least one... yurbud May 2013 #104

I'll believe it when I see it tularetom Apr 2013 #55

Write the White House on this. I did. lebkuchen Apr 2013 #59

The FACTS regarding GITMO, Obama, and Congress Tx4obama Apr 2013 #72

FACT zipplewrath Apr 2013 #78

And apparently that 'office' was not helping to get the job done. Perhaps you... Tx4obama Apr 2013 #80

Thanks Tx. The good news is that PBO Is Going Back Cha Apr 2013 #82

After 5 years zipplewrath Apr 2013 #90

Obama has been president 4 years 3 months. Also, please see Comment #72 Tx4obama Apr 2013 #97

Please see response 78 zipplewrath Apr 2013 #98

It seems even the Democrats who voted against it didn't think it was a good idea, hughee99 May 2013 #110

what is going on at GITMO is horrible and wrong lovuian Apr 2013 #83

Tweet from Pat Leahy on PBO and gitmo.. Cha Apr 2013 #86

Another black mark on US history. Ash_F May 2013 #105

Blah blah blah Marrah_G May 2013 #109

2009...2010...2011...2012... It's been four freakin' years. Pterodactyl May 2013 #111