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OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
60. Is this guy a partisan hack of the libertarian variety, too?
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 02:59 PM
Apr 2013

Of course, he's representing TERRORISTS at GITMO, so he can't be trusted.

A Desperate Situation at Guantánamo: Over 130 Prisoners on Hunger Strike, Dozens Being Force-Fed
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/4/29/a_desperate_situation_at_guantnamo_over

CARLOS WARNER: Unfortunately, they’re held because the president has no political will to end Guantánamo. And it falls on the left. And I’m part of the left. I’m a federal public defender. My wife campaigned for President Obama. But the bottom line is that the left isn’t pushing for the release. He, the president, is blaming this on the right and saying the right has made these restrictions. Well, what the left doesn’t understand, and the right has pointed this out, is that the president has the authority to transfer individuals if he believes that it’s in the interests of the United States. But he doesn’t have the political will to do so because 166 men in Guantánamo don’t have much pull in the United States. So—but the average American on the street does not understand that half of these men, 87 of these men—86 of them, excuse me—86 of the men are cleared for release, meaning that the government has said that not only haven’t they done anything wrong, but they’re not dangerous, that they could be released immediately. And they languish there in Guantánamo while the president is guffawing with, you know, the social elite in Washington.

We’re just asking the president to appoint somebody to start working on the problem. If the president does that, we can make incredible progress in a year. I’ve been in this situation for many years now, and I know where these men can go. And frankly, the executive knows, as well. The State Department knows where these men can be placed. And they were working on those solutions, but the president doesn’t want to implement what the State Department has done.

AMY GOODMAN: Where can they be placed?

CARLOS WARNER: Well, there are rehabilitation centers in both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, built under the eye of the United States, where—that they could go, the 86 men could go in an instant, if the president had political will to transfer them. And not every man can go there, but we could certainly start working on many of these innocent men. And if you are not on that list of 86, the president has no process for you to—for you to challenge your detention. So, many of the individuals that he has held indefinitely and say should be held indefinitely, they haven’t done anything wrong, either. But basically the president has said these are people that, if we release them, we’re afraid they’ll—they might harm us because they’re ticked off we’ve held them for 11 years without charge.

But that’s not what we—who we are as a country. As a country, we don’t hold people for what they may do in the future. So give those men process. Give them an ability to be released. Now, the left has to mobilize. Senator Feinstein came out and said, "Let’s get rid of the innocent men. Let’s get them out of Guantánamo." But the rest of the left has to do that. It starts there. And as much as I would like to cast blame on the right, can’t do it here. We have to cast blame on the president. He needs to pick up this ball and run for it—run with it, or people are going to die, Amy.

True Believers like yourself can never find fault with the President. Nope, it's always some "basher" or "hater."

Nice bubble you got there.

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Pres. O, stands in front of the press for a longtime, everyone should hear this talk Sunlei Apr 2013 #1
why is extrajudicial killing of the innocent easier than extrajudicial letting the innocent go free? yurbud Apr 2013 #6
I don't know. Why do you think that is? Sunlei Apr 2013 #10
because of our stupid approach to terrorism NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #15
I agree the politics and the "for profit" private contractors are like leeches. Sunlei Apr 2013 #21
someone profits from the killing and imprisoning not the freeing. yurbud Apr 2013 #40
isn't it amazing when the rule of law matters and when it doesn't, or when there are conflicting law yurbud Apr 2013 #67
K&R midnight Apr 2013 #101
he was supposed to close Gitmo Bully Taw Apr 2013 #2
Say Bully you happen to think your obstructionist Congress had anything xtraxritical Apr 2013 #8
Yes, I do zipplewrath Apr 2013 #14
^^^ this ^^^ tblue Apr 2013 #19
Exactly. His promises were hot air from the word "go" Maven Apr 2013 #42
As always, watch what he does pscot Apr 2013 #50
No they did not. zeemike Apr 2013 #28
That is possibly the most ridiculous assertion I've ever heard, and that's really saying something.. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #38
Here I think is the show alp227 Apr 2013 #44
"can't be returned to their homelands because they'll be tortured and killed" ieoeja Apr 2013 #48
It would solve the problem, but only if you think torturing & killing is more humane than force..... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #51
House and Senate were D for first two years. Psephos Apr 2013 #65
you mean... Bully Taw May 2013 #108
So exactly what did President O "not do" as far as trying to close Gitmo in your book? Sunlei Apr 2013 #12
He closed the office zipplewrath Apr 2013 #29
did the official reports and mandates tell you that? Sunlei Apr 2013 #30
Huh? zipplewrath Apr 2013 #31
no I mean the 100 or so pages of public record listing every prisoner and whats up with each. Sunlei Apr 2013 #35
From January zipplewrath Apr 2013 #36
can I have a link to the legislation signed and who made your bolded statement, thanks. Sunlei Apr 2013 #54
Executive decision zipplewrath Apr 2013 #61
Thats because they made their reports a couple years ago. Why would they be needed now? Sunlei Apr 2013 #68
To continue to work the problem zipplewrath Apr 2013 #69
Everyone is listed out of the 166 and been worked as far as asking the countries to take them back. Sunlei Apr 2013 #70
Is it closed? zipplewrath Apr 2013 #73
well perhaps congress will have something to say when they are asked again to do their jobs. Sunlei Apr 2013 #74
And perhaps the president will act zipplewrath Apr 2013 #75
no he didn't. Didn't you even watch todays surprise presser? Sunlei Apr 2013 #79
Yes, did you hear the word "re-engage" zipplewrath Apr 2013 #89
reengage with congress. here is the press questions and answers. Sunlei Apr 2013 #93
And where does he discuss closing down the only office working it? zipplewrath Apr 2013 #99
What's he supposed to do, ignore the restrictions from Congress? Sunlei Apr 2013 #100
What he could have done zipplewrath May 2013 #102
ok, that's a long enough list. Sunlei May 2013 #103
There's a reason for everything... tarheelsunc Apr 2013 #49
9 dimensional chess? zipplewrath Apr 2013 #76
Still, I support him on closing shitmo 100% grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #22
He signed the EO to close it, but Congress STOPPED him by a 90-6 in the Senate. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #33
So it is now up to us to pressure congress alp227 Apr 2013 #45
You are wasting energy by injecting facts into a discussion? grantcart Apr 2013 #53
what does it tell you Bully Taw May 2013 #107
And I feel "a bit betrayed" by sloven incuriosity. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #43
I think if Obama could have done it -- alone -- he would have. gateley Apr 2013 #52
I don't think he realized that he has to find some other place to put the detainees marshall Apr 2013 #71
he can do it for about 100 prisoners in a second by lifting the ban on yemen xiamiam Apr 2013 #3
The point is their "home" and any other country does not want them. xtraxritical Apr 2013 #9
Yep. But liberal activists don't wanna hear that. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #34
that is not true..it is obama who is blocking them from Yemen xiamiam May 2013 #106
Their own country doesn't want them back! Sunlei Apr 2013 #13
Campaign promise = 1,562 days later and he's still got his team looking into what can be done. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #4
Do some research on Google, he was blocked by Congress. nt DonViejo Apr 2013 #11
Not an unusual belief. However, for your edification: Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #16
Glenn Greenwald is a partisan hack of the libertarian variety... DonViejo Apr 2013 #17
You got no facts in opposition on this one, Don. Just smear. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #18
Smear this... DonViejo Apr 2013 #20
You're all ad hominem. Nothing yet to refute the piece. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #23
And you've yet to go do your own research... DonViejo Apr 2013 #27
I know anti-Obamanite Libertarians of the Glenn Greenwald kind don't want to hear the truth about BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #37
Is this guy a partisan hack of the libertarian variety, too? OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #60
good post n/t Psephos Apr 2013 #66
Really? I'm a true believer and can never find fault with the President?... DonViejo Apr 2013 #87
I don't need a crystal ball. OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #88
Okay Onyx. You pretend to be a know it all about DonViejo, LOL DonViejo Apr 2013 #92
Let's tally the results. OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #94
LOL. Onyx. Thank for tonight's great after dinner laugh... DonViejo Apr 2013 #95
If only you spent as much time OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #96
Read the transcript of the entire response frazzled Apr 2013 #26
PB is still waiting approval by Glenn Greenwald to read the president's entire response. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #41
That left a mark grantcart Apr 2013 #85
What's he been waiting for? zipplewrath Apr 2013 #63
How about give the guys a habeas hearing in the US, and if they got nothing on them, give them a yurbud Apr 2013 #5
Sounds good to me. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #24
if they're innocent, they can live next door to me. yurbud Apr 2013 #25
+1 mike_c Apr 2013 #56
So if they're innocent... Earth_First Apr 2013 #91
With what funds? BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #39
There was an effort to renew? AllyCat Apr 2013 #7
"I" "Feel" "Betrayed" alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #32
Obama says that he will try and close "Gitmo" again, but please understand... Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #46
fact shmacts. grantcart Apr 2013 #57
It Is a Massive Problem, grantcart, and requires many forms of co-operation.. Cha Apr 2013 #84
fact shmacts. grantcart Apr 2013 #57
But he can hold them on his authority alone zipplewrath Apr 2013 #62
We should pressure Congress treestar Apr 2013 #64
Congress is playing a dangerous game of "Boy who cried war". napoleon_in_rags Apr 2013 #77
Exactly!!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #81
To show his sincerity, he should hold a press conference in Guantanamo. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #47
and then take all the innocent guys home with him in Air Force One or at least one... yurbud May 2013 #104
I'll believe it when I see it tularetom Apr 2013 #55
Write the White House on this. I did. lebkuchen Apr 2013 #59
The FACTS regarding GITMO, Obama, and Congress Tx4obama Apr 2013 #72
FACT zipplewrath Apr 2013 #78
And apparently that 'office' was not helping to get the job done. Perhaps you... Tx4obama Apr 2013 #80
Thanks Tx. The good news is that PBO Is Going Back Cha Apr 2013 #82
After 5 years zipplewrath Apr 2013 #90
Obama has been president 4 years 3 months. Also, please see Comment #72 Tx4obama Apr 2013 #97
Please see response 78 zipplewrath Apr 2013 #98
It seems even the Democrats who voted against it didn't think it was a good idea, hughee99 May 2013 #110
what is going on at GITMO is horrible and wrong lovuian Apr 2013 #83
Tweet from Pat Leahy on PBO and gitmo.. Cha Apr 2013 #86
Another black mark on US history. Ash_F May 2013 #105
Blah blah blah Marrah_G May 2013 #109
2009...2010...2011...2012... It's been four freakin' years. Pterodactyl May 2013 #111
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