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88. Do you know how much people in this country fight for religious freedom?

Wed Feb 8, 2012, 07:06 AM

Feb 2012

Because you have a problem with religion or the leaders of a religion. The fact remains that this is NOT a cave. This is about addressing religious freedom. If this action is seen to go against moral aspects of a religion even if there are people in the religion who are more open. This religion would then be persecuted for it's beliefs. I'm a bit sickened by your knee-jerk reaction. I'm a person who supports birth control and shit I need it for my health. But also I respect religions and I can see how this is problems as to what is decreed of our country and what America stands for. This is not France which shits on religions. I see this as understandable and I'd love to see more tolerant people around, who look at the whole picture at least.

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White House May Look to Compromise on Contraception Decision. [View all] elleng Feb 2012 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #1

Children. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #70

How superior of you zipplewrath Feb 2012 #90

You think I'm commenting on the issue itself? The Doctor. Feb 2012 #117

You seem to believe you have a unique understanding of "reality" zipplewrath Feb 2012 #128

No, it's not 'nice'. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #129

Um, you made it about them zipplewrath Feb 2012 #130

Good observation! The Doctor. Feb 2012 #131

Translation: JoeyT Feb 2012 #95

Wow. I should no longer be surprised by this sort of response. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #113

Yes, and what a terrible stretch it was to make. JoeyT Feb 2012 #123

That post didn't say anything about women. boppers Feb 2012 #124

And if this were about same sex marriage, The Doctor. Feb 2012 #127

Anyone can be wrong sometimes. And sometimes one has to sound condescending when talking to idiots. 20score Feb 2012 #103

And if wishes were horses we'd all be eating steak. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #111

Unfortunately for you we're a country of religious tolerance. vaberella Feb 2012 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #94

this deserves it's own thread frylock Feb 2012 #107

This is the government! vaberella Feb 2012 #112

This has nothing to do with "religious tolerance", so plez dont play that card. rhett o rick Feb 2012 #108

Actually it has a whole lot to do with religious tolerance. vaberella Feb 2012 #110

I see it as special treatment. The "church" doesnt have to follow a law because of a "moral code" rhett o rick Feb 2012 #120

You know, I almost can't believe I'm saying this, but I just heard that many of the gateley Feb 2012 #2

Only a tiny sliver of Catholics give a damn about this. onehandle Feb 2012 #5

Yeah, so I'm surprised at the outcry. gateley Feb 2012 #10

Feh kenfrequed Feb 2012 #24

What hypocrisy! For those who are rich and are "against abortion" and truedelphi Feb 2012 #75

(heavily pushed by the RW echo chamber) . . . .n/t annabanana Feb 2012 #57

Compromising with a bunch of useless Church politicians. Scruffy1 Feb 2012 #37

I think this was made a big deal from the pulpits this past Sunday, gate; elleng Feb 2012 #7

Most Catholics I know would just blow that off. Of course, most Catholics I know don't gateley Feb 2012 #13

I don't believe it. Most Catholics blow off the nutbag priests/bishops on this issue. Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #11

We always have. nt gateley Feb 2012 #15

Well, looky here Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #17

Haha! Love it!! nt gateley Feb 2012 #23

this is another media driven right wing attack lark Feb 2012 #20

I've no doubt Faux, et al, are the ones fanning the flames, but NOW I heard gateley Feb 2012 #25

I just read that a majority of Catholics support the contraception rule. Mojorabbit Feb 2012 #29

Well I wonder what brought this about, then. Politics, jeez -- crazy. nt gateley Feb 2012 #34

If there is enough lobbying they'd have too. vaberella Feb 2012 #83

That's only because so many Catholics have left the Church. truedelphi Feb 2012 #125

That is so bloody hypocritical of them - Smilo Feb 2012 #30

I know -- so I wonder who's causing the ruckus? I don't know why we don't automatically cast a gateley Feb 2012 #35

They're not, most of them use it Warpy Feb 2012 #33

Get rid of the Health Bill before it is too late. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #36

Is it better or worse than nothing? quakerboy Feb 2012 #49

Scrap it. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #55

So you believe Obamacare is worse than nothing at all. quakerboy Feb 2012 #71

I am sure. Scrap it. Then Scrap Medicaid and everything else except medicare for every citizen. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #73

That is not an option right now quakerboy Feb 2012 #74

Why not repeal it and expand Medicare? CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #78

Because Republicans quakerboy Feb 2012 #79

The Left? CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #81

All 17 of them? quakerboy Feb 2012 #87

Pandering is never pragmatic Doctor_J Feb 2012 #47

Old Senator Bob Graham of Florida wanted Medicare for all. He was good one. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #77

You should've watched The Young Turks tonight. Lionessa Feb 2012 #50

Where did you hear that? ingac70 Feb 2012 #65

Actuallyyou're right. But there is a vocal minority that ruins our image. n/t vaberella Feb 2012 #82

I have an easy solution. onehandle Feb 2012 #3

+ 1universal heath care NOW Vincardog Feb 2012 #4

I was just saying that yesterday. It bears repeating. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #8

+1 tanyev Feb 2012 #38

Catholic leadership needs to looks at the newest poll as does the Administration maddezmom Feb 2012 #6

Catholic 'leadership' not concerned about polls. elleng Feb 2012 #9

Let they count the number of children in the pews HockeyMom Feb 2012 #14

This is utter bullshit. I'm sick of religious freaks dictating policy. Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #12

Kathleen Sebelius: Contraception rule respects religion ProSense Feb 2012 #16

No more, actually, but corporate media is giving the vocal ones, BlueCaliDem Feb 2012 #18

Then why is the admin backpedalling? Doctor_J Feb 2012 #48

No 'besides' about it peace frog Feb 2012 #51

They're not. BlueCaliDem Feb 2012 #66

Great and honest answer. truedelphi Feb 2012 #126

I'm frankly sick of politicians (of all stripes) ProfessionalLeftist Feb 2012 #19

Agree on that. nt TBF Feb 2012 #32

+1. Exactly. This is compromising women's health. yardwork Feb 2012 #45

How about semi-automatic assault weapons? JJW Feb 2012 #21

Popes have condemned the Iraq war and 'failings' of capitalism DaveJ Feb 2012 #26

I hope they wont. Mass Feb 2012 #22

The Catholic leadership needs to be sent a tax bill. Dawson Leery Feb 2012 #27

I totally agree. BlueCaliDem Feb 2012 #67

uhhh...is this caving to the Bible thumpers? SoapBox Feb 2012 #28

I don't understand the problem. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #31

President Obama, there is no need to capitulate on this..... tpsbmam Feb 2012 #39

Exactly, but though he's once again talking big, he's disappointing in his constant caving. Lionessa Feb 2012 #52

"Compromise" on making birthcontrol available is in same category as being "kinda pregnant"... Pachamama Feb 2012 #40

This infuriates me Tumbulu Feb 2012 #41

The only form of birth control they accept alphafemale Feb 2012 #132

Oh for fuck's sake...can we finally move out of the 16th century with this bullshit? Hugabear Feb 2012 #42

Oh by all means, address the concerns of the Catholic priests and bishops! MzNov Feb 2012 #43

Do you know how much people in this country fight for religious freedom? vaberella Feb 2012 #88

This isn't about respecting religion, no matter how much you insist it is. JoeyT Feb 2012 #97

Compromise PlanetBev Feb 2012 #44

Yank the churches tax-exempt status. Make the Catholic Church pay taxes. yardwork Feb 2012 #46

Amen, yardwork. Amen! truedelphi Feb 2012 #76

No fucking compromises. Fearless Feb 2012 #53

I bet the fundies... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2012 #54

No! Do not cave at all on this. If Catholics want to cough up the Billions of $$ AllyCat Feb 2012 #56

But there's the problem... The Doctor. Feb 2012 #119

Well here is what the humbled_opinion Feb 2012 #58

Exactly. But people are willing to shit on religious freedom here. vaberella Feb 2012 #86

yes, we need to be more tolerant of intolerance.. frylock Feb 2012 #96

Then run for President and ban religion. n/t vaberella Feb 2012 #116

fail frylock Feb 2012 #121

Ironic, isn't it Le Taz Hot Feb 2012 #89

*FACEPLAM* Odin2005 Feb 2012 #59

i have a problem with a religious state trying to dictate laws in this country... madrchsod Feb 2012 #60

I get unnerved by people who forget we are the US and not France. vaberella Feb 2012 #85

nobody is forcing catholics to use birth control (although 98% admit to using it).. frylock Feb 2012 #105

When my husband and I were going through marriage class AnnieBW Feb 2012 #61

Unless you are shoving the pills down a woman's throat, MsPithy Feb 2012 #62

So paid employees of a religious institution have fewer rights? krispos42 Feb 2012 #63

The headline is the NYTimes. elleng Feb 2012 #64

I live in a heavily Catholic town unionworks Feb 2012 #68

Tax the RCC! Dawson Leery Feb 2012 #69

Love to see it unionworks Feb 2012 #72

Catholic people are NOT the Catholic Church. vaberella Feb 2012 #84

Why belong to a church you have no say over? LAGC Feb 2012 #91

I ain't got a clue. I left the Church at 13. vaberella Feb 2012 #114

we're well aware of that. you're the one conflating the two.. frylock Feb 2012 #106

No. I don't think so. vaberella Feb 2012 #115

ummm i "pushed it onto you" because you're the only one pushing that argument.. frylock Feb 2012 #122

So, will they allow the cults that do not believe in medecine not to offer insurance at all? Or the Mass Feb 2012 #92

That's what I was thinking, too. Women are going to be pissed at the bishops. EFerrari Feb 2012 #93

No they wont get their republicon president, but one that yields to the bishops. nm rhett o rick Feb 2012 #99

Looks like it. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #100

I know it is 2012 Smilo Feb 2012 #98

in consideration of Catholics, there is one form of contraception the Catholics use MACARD Feb 2012 #101

How about this? No coverage for contraception, JDPriestly Feb 2012 #102

Ugh obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #104

I have a compromise idea Orangepeel Feb 2012 #109

Obama would compromise on the sun coming up in the morning. Vidar Feb 2012 #118