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36. So NOT the same thing. A Judge has to issue a restraining order.

Thu May 2, 2013, 06:19 PM

May 2013

A restraining order is issued by a judge after they are presented with facts in the case. So the person who is subject to the restraining order has been judged in our judicial system to be a threat.

The kid who was suspended has not been found guilty of any crimes nor has he been judged a threat. He's not even accused of being a conspirator to the bombings. Just tampering with evidence after the fact and lying to the feds. The charges speak for themselves. The authorities obviously don't have the evidence or the belief that he was involved in the initial crime.

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UMass: 1 arrested is suspended, 2 not enrolled [View all] DonViejo May 2013 OP

Whoa.... that's FUCKED UP. harmonicon May 2013 #1

Point Taken DallasNE May 2013 #2

That was my thought, re: drug possession. harmonicon May 2013 #3

If the question is involvement with terrorist attacks, well yeah geek tragedy May 2013 #6

... and if they're not guilty, then what? harmonicon May 2013 #8

They can always sue. geek tragedy May 2013 #10

Good point. harmonicon May 2013 #13

So, you don't think civil restraining orders should ever be permitted, correct? geek tragedy May 2013 #15

No one should be forced to do anything without any standing of the law behind it. harmonicon May 2013 #18

What about innocent until proven guilty? geek tragedy May 2013 #19

You know that a school isn't a court of law, right? harmonicon May 2013 #22

Restraining orders are given pre-conviction. geek tragedy May 2013 #25

Your Argument is Absurd. No Violation of Rights. A Judge Issues an Order. Not a School or LEO. dballance May 2013 #39

I was engaging in reductio ad absurdum. geek tragedy May 2013 #40

So NOT the same thing. A Judge has to issue a restraining order. dballance May 2013 #36

Technical Correction DallasNE May 2013 #48

They could suspend him for not attending class. But if UMASS wants to be seen as tough on terrorism, 24601 May 2013 #11

The Suspended Student Is Not Charged With "Attacks" DallasNE May 2013 #16

Those are the initial charges. geek tragedy May 2013 #20

5 years for carrying two joints? Huh? Cali_Democrat May 2013 #46

Does It Take 3 Joints To Get Over The Threshold DallasNE May 2013 #47

You would prefer that accused rapists be allowed to attend class with their geek tragedy May 2013 #5

Yes. harmonicon May 2013 #7

"there's no reason to think the accused is a rapist" geek tragedy May 2013 #9

Hi, welcome to the first day of criminal justice 101. harmonicon May 2013 #12

That's for incarceration/criminal trials, not the right to attend class. geek tragedy May 2013 #14

What did I "pretty much" do? harmonicon May 2013 #17

You said that if a woman accuses a man of rape, that there's "no reason" geek tragedy May 2013 #21

I sure did. (nt) harmonicon May 2013 #23

So, you see no duty on the part of the school to make itself safe geek tragedy May 2013 #24

I can't tell if you're trolling or if you don't understand simple concepts. harmonicon May 2013 #26

You said that an accusation is "no reason" to think someone committed a crime. geek tragedy May 2013 #27

That's why it's good that we do have such rights. harmonicon May 2013 #28

You understand the basic difference between lynching someone geek tragedy May 2013 #29

You REALLY didn't google those terms I gave you, did you? (nt) harmonicon May 2013 #30

No, I just understand them much better than you do. geek tragedy May 2013 #31

I'm really glad I'm not a trout. harmonicon May 2013 #35

geek_tragedy is assuredly trolling for a pissing match. Look up thread. He argued the other side. dballance May 2013 #41

So one of the threads on Latest Breaking News is about a women charged with lying to police about 24601 May 2013 #44

SOP at most colleges and universities. Xithras May 2013 #33

Allowed back into school, sure, but what about their time and other expenses? harmonicon May 2013 #34

It wasn't a person I knew. Xithras May 2013 #43

I think it's really a tricky issue. harmonicon May 2013 #45

thanks for the news, DV Cha May 2013 #4

How did they live in a dorm if they werent enrolled? Gin May 2013 #32

the other two lived elsewheres, I believe and have wealthy families. KittyWampus May 2013 #38

I used to teach Anthropology at Umass Dartmouth. mysuzuki2 May 2013 #37

Ah... "neo-communist" I called it when I was in college. harmonicon May 2013 #42