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AnotherMcIntosh

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12. The described ordinance is an imaginary ex post facto law. It doesn't exist.
Sat May 4, 2013, 10:33 AM
May 2013

From the linked article:

"The Los Angeles City Council voted Friday to draft a law prohibiting the possession of high-capacity ammunition magazines, sparking lawsuit threats from two gun rights organizations."

"On an 11-0 vote, the council called for an ordinance labeling the magazines a public nuisance and “an immediate threat to the public health.” Although the state already has a ban on the sale and transfer of high-capacity magazines, residents can still legally own them."

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ban-ammunition-lawsuit-20130503,0,4884282.story

An ex post facto law, of course, "is a law that retroactively changes the legal consequences (or status) of actions that were committed, or relationships that existed, before the enactment of the law. In criminal law, it may criminalize actions that were legal when committed ..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law

For those who value the Constitution and the rule of law, clause 3 of Article I, Section 9 prohibits Congress from passing ex post facto laws and clause 1 of Article I, Section 10 prohibits the States from doing so.

The Due Process provisions of the 5th and 14th Amendments also operates as a barrier to those who also want to use governmental resources to take away property without just compensation.

Contrary to what was reported,
"The Los Angeles City Council" DID NOT VOTE "to prohibit the possession of large-capacity ammunition magazines."

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A militia being necessary the right to large upaloopa May 2013 #1
'Agent' crook will lose this one @ Supremes, imo. elleng May 2013 #3
That poster was joking... adjust your sarcasm meter OKNancy May 2013 #4
Gotcha. elleng May 2013 #5
Well, at least the will of the people is being followed SOMEWHERE. SunSeeker May 2013 #2
How exactly is this an infringement though? cstanleytech May 2013 #6
Super ditto on the ammo comment. SoapBox May 2013 #7
It isn't, of course. Gun nuts only read the part that suits their fetish. PSPS May 2013 #11
Ammo is considered part and parcel of arms hack89 May 2013 #13
Good thing the discussion is about the US Constitution and no mention was cstanleytech May 2013 #15
I am good with magazine limits. hack89 May 2013 #16
Not really. The feds currently have limits on Armor-Piercing ammo for example and cstanleytech May 2013 #18
The 2A does not preclude regulation of ammo hack89 May 2013 #19
There is no infringement. The First Amendment protects the right to publish a story about AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #27
There is no legitimate use in LA Red Mountain May 2013 #8
It's a little known fact that magazines can be swapped quickly with just ... spin May 2013 #9
And our gunner friends practice a lot because they think this is a war zone. Hoyt May 2013 #31
Strangely I agree with most of what you have stated. ... spin May 2013 #33
Although I think it's not necessary, it would be better if those were the kinds of guns people were Hoyt May 2013 #34
Its not just 2nd amendment issues... ProgressiveProfessor May 2013 #10
The described ordinance is an imaginary ex post facto law. It doesn't exist. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #12
yet another post that has everyone wondering what is "Progressive" about you CreekDog May 2013 #23
plenty of local ordinances that are more restrictive than state laws. Love to see the Sunlei May 2013 #14
They did in Chicago kudzu22 May 2013 #20
what ordinances? Sunlei May 2013 #22
Chicago's ban on handguns kudzu22 May 2013 #24
interesting read, McDonald v. Chicago as compared to NRA v. Chicago Sunlei May 2013 #25
Interesting. Do you have a link to where the order might be found? AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #26
Bring it, they will lose. nt bemildred May 2013 #17
How will they loose Travis_0004 May 2013 #30
State law can be changed too. This is a progressive state, most of it. bemildred May 2013 #32
Being sued by murderous maniacs. Aristus May 2013 #21
This local ordinance Jenoch May 2013 #28
There is no "This local ordinance." The false story is flame bait. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #29
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