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davidthegnome

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39. I didn't follow the election in Venezuela
Sun May 5, 2013, 10:21 AM
May 2013

At least, not very closely. I knew it was going on, heard the rumors and wild speculations about Hugo perhaps having been poisoned, or somehow "given" cancer by the US... for the most part, it does not effect me, so I didn't pay much attention. I did have some measure of respect for Chavez though, it was hard not to, for a man so adored by the poor in his own Nation - a politician, greatly admired by the poor... it was hard to countenance.

The devil comment is pretty ridiculous - if Maduro wants to be taken seriously he should come up with some more original rhetoric - or at least more realistic rhetoric. I would not recommend turning to Hannity, Coulter, or Limbaugh for advice... rather, I would suggest Maduro take some lessons in recent US history.

He would discover that, in 2000, we had an "election" that was an absolute farce. He would discover that, again, in 2004, there was far too much shit going on under the surface to really have faith in Bush's second "victory". He might learn some things about smear campaigns - swift boat anyone?

The idea that a seated US President (in this case, Obama) can criticize another Nation for not holding "fair elections" is a funny joke. No one ever prosecuted Bush or his business allies for what happened in 2000. No one was ever held accountable for the fact that, even though Al Gore won... Bush was somehow chosen to sit his dumb ass in the oval office.

It's sad. Over the years we have had many opportunities to ally ourselves with South America, we have had many opportunities to make friends. Instead, our government and government agencies have branded them as evil backwards socialists, fooled around within their internal affairs and generally made an absolute mess and mockery of anything resembling diplomacy or good foreign relations.

Should Obama recognize Maduro? I don't know. I don't know enough about the details of the election, but I do know that for us to be overly critical or high and mighty about it is much like the raven calling the crow black.

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Venezuela's Maduro blasts 'devil' Obama [View all] Freddie Stubbs May 2013 OP
And people wonder why I can't stand this jerk? Archae May 2013 #1
Yeah he's a jerk, but ... Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #2
He won the election. Maybe. Archae May 2013 #4
Look, I know all about the cultists we have on this site. Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #6
excellant post. Proletariatprincess May 2013 #9
It's not like Obama is going to send in the Marines--I mean, come on--let's not get overblown about MADem May 2013 #12
But since Maduro isn't a right-winger, he gets a pass. Archae May 2013 #15
I just can't worry about 'em overmuch. MADem May 2013 #16
Those are the biggest problems. Archae May 2013 #19
Corruption is rampant. I think it'll get worse, too. MADem May 2013 #21
And don't forget all the dope that funnels through there. Archae May 2013 #22
Drugs and kidnapping are a noticeable aspect of the GDP, indeed. nt MADem May 2013 #23
Yeah I know, I could and have written many of the same things to the cultists. Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #33
Oh, come on. MADem May 2013 #34
And? I'm not sure I understand what you're responding to. n/t Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #35
I'm responding to your gripe that Obama hasn't "recognized" Maduro's election. MADem May 2013 #36
It's a legit gripe Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #40
You don't know everything that Obama knows...so it just may NOT be a 'legit' gripe. MADem May 2013 #42
We weren't there, so we have to take the word of the country's authorities, Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #43
Well, the fact that the SA nations agreed to endorse the result "for stability of the region" MADem May 2013 #70
No, this is the key passage: Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #77
Funny, since Venezuela doesn't produce any cocaine. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #63
Why would I "go on about Colombia" in a thread about VENEZUELA? MADem May 2013 #64
Fortunately, nothing like that goes on in the rest of Latin America. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #55
That was a rude and silly comment. Wank fest? Really? MADem May 2013 #97
He's a right winger to me. joshcryer May 2013 #25
It goes without saying that Capriles is to Maduro's right, and that the poor would lose Ken Burch May 2013 #73
No, just the CIA. tblue May 2013 #48
The CIA from 10 years ago. Archae May 2013 #54
That's OLD NEWS. 11 years old, in fact. MADem May 2013 #58
Remember Honduras. Obama is not above repeating THAT. Ken Burch May 2013 #69
Not gonna happen. nt MADem May 2013 #71
Because...? Ken Burch May 2013 #74
Look, I am not going to have two subthreads going on with the same person -- stick to the MADem May 2013 #76
Do you have any idea how imperialist that post sounded? Ken Burch May 2013 #72
Why do you keep responding to the same post? Again--Not. Gonna. Happen. MADem May 2013 #75
It can get kind of confusing... arikara May 2013 #61
Me, I'm talking about US and generally non-Venezuelan folks Benton D Struckcheon May 2013 #62
The election was better monitored than any US election ever. /nt Ash_F May 2013 #7
Preposterous. The Carter Center says "acompaņante" is symbolic. joshcryer May 2013 #26
+1 nt MADem May 2013 #37
You are crying about voting machines that actually print out ballots? Ash_F May 2013 #41
VVAT is the most common voting machine in the US. joshcryer May 2013 #65
That's what I heard too. Beacool May 2013 #57
What, you know him? zeemike May 2013 #3
I believe that Hugo was poisoned..... Proletariatprincess May 2013 #10
Do you also believe in the Tooth Fairy and Easter Bunny? Archae May 2013 #11
speaking of evidence reorg May 2013 #18
Like I said... Archae May 2013 #20
yes, it's pretty much impossible reorg May 2013 #24
I notice that not one of the Hugo-Nots responded to your comment. leveymg May 2013 #52
Well, when the Christian Science Monitor, which reports VERY carefully, calls MADem May 2013 #67
Wow, you read an opinion piece in the Christian Science Monitor reorg May 2013 #78
Others in this thread have spoken to the "observer" issue, so I won't repeat that. MADem May 2013 #86
Your trust in this "other" one who has spoken is adorable reorg May 2013 #88
More than Venezuelan "Analysis" certainly. MADem May 2013 #90
the "devils" Maduro mentioned reorg May 2013 #91
It's anywhere from a half a percent to a percent and a half, depending MADem May 2013 #92
it depends on whether you use actual sources reorg May 2013 #95
We know what Uncle Joe said about "official sources." MADem May 2013 #96
your misinformed ramblings are quite depressing reorg May 2013 #98
Way to have a substantive issue-based discussion--toss a few lame insults. MADem May 2013 #99
No, he can't, because THERE IS NO EVIDENCE. bitchkitty May 2013 #27
Wouldn't broken fingerprint machines be cause for concern? joshcryer May 2013 #29
You said yourself they are not needed at all reorg May 2013 #49
No, it's not an "additional measure." joshcryer May 2013 #66
BS, of course it is reorg May 2013 #80
They don't have actas in polling stations representing 700k votes. joshcryer May 2013 #81
different issue reorg May 2013 #82
Regardless to check for ballot stuffing requires an audit. joshcryer May 2013 #83
how about producing some evidence reorg May 2013 #84
One needn't provide evidence to make the request. joshcryer May 2013 #85
Belief isnt proof though. cstanleytech May 2013 #14
And you have facts to support this claim or are Skidmore May 2013 #32
I believe he had pancreatic cancer, a condition which kills many. Akoto May 2013 #45
Maybe you don't know the history tblue May 2013 #50
I have to wonder who the Tea Party will side with. Gore1FL May 2013 #5
Neither - most of them don't know what or where Venezuela is. n/t bitchkitty May 2013 #28
Isn't near Benghazi?!?!?!? Gore1FL May 2013 #38
Nah, it's a town in Cuba. ;) n/t bitchkitty May 2013 #79
Sounds like a fool to me! hrmjustin May 2013 #8
President Obama John2 May 2013 #13
If Obamas policies were truly to far right we would have long ago invaded Venezuela. cstanleytech May 2013 #17
and how did you John2 May 2013 #51
I always find it odd how people joke about the President playing "ten-dimensional chess" ... Akoto May 2013 #46
Oh my comments John2 May 2013 #59
I doubt Obama will lose any sleep over that DFW May 2013 #30
Yep 47of74 May 2013 #31
I didn't follow the election in Venezuela davidthegnome May 2013 #39
On the devil comment Ash_F May 2013 #44
I had no idea. davidthegnome May 2013 #47
The far-left is just as nasty as the far-right Ter May 2013 #53
Just what are John2 May 2013 #56
The far-left is not even close... davidthegnome May 2013 #60
Well, Maduro does have his reasons. The U.S. is trying to destabilize Venezuela Ken Burch May 2013 #68
Taking a page out of the Chavez playbook, I see. Arkana May 2013 #87
That is so racist. Pterodactyl May 2013 #89
Venezuelan presidents have a way with words Enrique May 2013 #93
President Nicolas Maduro acts like hes afraid to have his election checked for fraud. Sunlei May 2013 #94
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