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graham4anything

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44. but nobody said that. Stop playing your agenda to fit something that wasn't said in a gotcha.
Sun May 5, 2013, 05:16 PM
May 2013

don't forget- it was NOT a peaceful protest. and there were many scenerios floating around that made it convienient to blame the national guard (who were just kids too in most cases)
however, NO murder conviction was found, and there was a person named who might or might not have been the one to yell fire who was NOT any part of the National Guard nor an innocent student.
(for the most part people seem to remember a song about the event as opposed to the facts of the case which didn't rhyme like the song did.)

It was not fun and games protest.

and of course, conspiracy theorists have had wanted to blame the National guard time and again and the tapes show a possible shot was fired before they took the first shot.
(and NO charge of murder was ever found, and people wrongly continue to call it that.)

It does seem that that Norman plant might have been to blame more than others, and he was not a member of the national guard whatsoever, so one can't blame the state national guard.

as always conspiracy theories.

The person who killed the ref should be jailed as an adult for the murder.
And no one should make excuses for them because someone might not like authority.
It's called responsibity.

and no one is forgetting about or condoning what happened.

Just who is being blamed.
It would be more realistic to blame President Nixon than to blame the national guard.

If one remembers about Vietnam, the troops were wrongly blamed and the public took it out on the troops after the war ended under Nixon.
One no longer blames the troops.

and there hasn't been another National Guard episode like that, because training was done to insure never again would it happen, and it hasn't.

to recap- NO ONE is saying it didn't happen. Just that the blaming of the state National Guard troops was not fair thing to do if someone in the crowd who was either a professional or an anarchist was the first one to do the firing. No one should have been killed

however- there were NO charges of Murder that were successful no matter how it don't fit the agenda. It is a very important legal term that just doesn't exist in that case.

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How incredibly sad for all involved. n/t TDale313 May 2013 #1
What a waste. freshwest May 2013 #2
This is a reminder of what happens when someone doesn't respect authority. graham4anything May 2013 #3
I wouldn't go that far. tblue May 2013 #4
But his temper means he is a danger to anyone else who comes in contact with him. graham4anything May 2013 #5
Not so much respecting authority as possessing civility DFW May 2013 #6
as always, it is either anarchy or order, Control or chaos, law or vigilantism graham4anything May 2013 #7
I don't see things quite that black and white DFW May 2013 #10
you heaven05 May 2013 #12
It's been known to happen.......... DFW May 2013 #15
Sorry, I disagree.... graham4anything May 2013 #13
We'll have to disagree, then DFW May 2013 #17
attention! heaven05 May 2013 #18
Well said. Thank you. nt SunSeeker May 2013 #20
An anarchist gave the order to shoot at Kent State? What the fuck are you on about? Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #22
You wont get an explanation. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #28
More nonsense from you. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #27
go to the historical record. Someone in the crowd yelled and the shooting began. graham4anything May 2013 #29
Hahahaha. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #30
who said they deserved to be shot? You are adding things to appeal to your agenda/angle. graham4anything May 2013 #32
I'm sure your grandparents were great people. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #35
The killer in the OP deserves the MAX sentence as an adult, to send a message graham4anything May 2013 #37
Again, Dred Scott. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #39
BTW Lots of people were yelling. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #31
But it wasn't the authority, which was the point someone earlier had made on different thread. graham4anything May 2013 #34
Oh lawd. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #36
whatever. graham4anything May 2013 #38
You're right. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #40
Wow! Someone on DU defending the murders at Kent State. former9thward May 2013 #42
but nobody said that. Stop playing your agenda to fit something that wasn't said in a gotcha. graham4anything May 2013 #44
If someone in the crowd had fired the "authority" would have brought that out. former9thward May 2013 #45
Blame Nixon who would not have been president but for protesters in 1968 keeping LBJ out graham4anything May 2013 #46
What do they always show on the sports reports? Fighting among players and arguing with refs/umps. bulloney May 2013 #14
well yes, but graham4anything May 2013 #16
Lack of education is the real problem... icarusxat May 2013 #8
"Recreational league"? Some "recreation". Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #9
The culture that teaches this is SPORTS Culture, not cinema and poetry, it is about the blood Bluenorthwest May 2013 #19
Oh, Good Lord. Give it a rest. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #23
WTF yea ok apply that to rape culture then too. pfffft L0oniX May 2013 #26
Sounds like a kid with some serious anger management problems, or he's had some really bad coaching spicegal May 2013 #11
That's bullshit! No excuses and blaming others! L0oniX May 2013 #25
To be fair, this does point to a larger cultural issue Blue_Tires May 2013 #41
i coached youth soccer for 17 yrs madrchsod May 2013 #48
Horrific. That poor man's family.... SunSeeker May 2013 #21
A lesson to those who resort to using fists ...it's not like on tv! L0oniX May 2013 #24
Well, that's murder. Not first degree, and not a capital offense IMHO, kestrel91316 May 2013 #33
If he did that to a referee, what will he do to a girlfriend? To a wife? mainer May 2013 #43
or to a perfect stranger who crossed him Carolina May 2013 #47
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