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46. You're really missing a step

Fri May 10, 2013, 12:22 AM

May 2013

You seem not to grasp how deterrent effects work. These tragedies get more local media attention than the jail sentences du jour.

Hearing about some kid drowning in a swimming pool does more to affect the behavior of othe parents than does hearing about someone going to jail.

If the situation is symptomatic of an abusive or otherwise criminal domestic situation, it usually will shake out in the investigation in the first place. So, if you want to get at the truly shitty parents instead of someone who missed a stop sign, the consequences - and the attention given to them - serve a more chilling deterrent effect.

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Boy, 2, dies after shooting self [View all] onehandle May 2013 OP

Another dolt of a parent Warpy May 2013 #1

Does he qualify for a Darwin award? Xipe Totec May 2013 #4

No, the Idiot (Who Left the Gun There) Can Still Breed AndyTiedye May 2013 #28

He has no one to blame but himself. Hassin Bin Sober May 2013 #2

We need to give more kids guns jberryhill May 2013 #17

I was going to post something to the same effect. eom tarheelsunc May 2013 #21

Damn... BlueDemKev May 2013 #3

According to the NRA, the gun should have been in the child's room. harmonicon May 2013 #68

Wait a second... BlueDemKev May 2013 #96

OMG. Not sure whether to laugh or cry at that video. (nt) PotatoChip May 2013 #101

For the NRA, that's a very BENIGN video! BlueDemKev May 2013 #116

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #5

How many has this been in past months? Do these "responsible" gun toters learn NOTHING? hlthe2b May 2013 #6

Here's a link Tx4obama May 2013 #11

According to the billh58 May 2013 #20

By all means, point me to one that says its 'liberal media bias'. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #25

I don't know about here on DU ... brett_jv May 2013 #52

The reference made by the poster I was responding to AtheistCrusader May 2013 #53

The actual term billh58 May 2013 #73

Actually, Fox reports it as well. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #76

And I don't billh58 May 2013 #81

Would it be possible for us AtheistCrusader May 2013 #84

And about half of them from Texas. What a coincidence. BlueStreak May 2013 #38

The author of the piece has an odd understanding of the word accident. dimbear May 2013 #7

It's negligence, not an accident. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #26

It is more than negligence BlueStreak May 2013 #39

I don't think the analogy is valid/accurate but AtheistCrusader May 2013 #41

I was thinking more of the common use of the word, not the legal term. BlueStreak May 2013 #44

We agree perfectly. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #45

Well said. dimbear May 2013 #48

My pet Iguana is the same way rightsideout May 2013 #8

In addition to background checks, I see the need for IQ tests. pacalo May 2013 #9

Yea-hah gotta protect your kids ya know olddots May 2013 #10

Negligent Homicide rickyhall May 2013 #12

Unlikely jberryhill May 2013 #19

These deaths are trending down, BUT AtheistCrusader May 2013 #27

And if they have other kids... jberryhill May 2013 #30

This sounds like the 'criminals won't obey background checks, so lets not even try' logic. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #34

Do you know why suicide is legal? jberryhill May 2013 #37

It is unlawful to ATTEMPT suicide. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #40

Only etymologically jberryhill May 2013 #42

Yeah, I'm ok with prosecuting those. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #43

You're really missing a step jberryhill May 2013 #46

And if it's someone else's kid? AtheistCrusader May 2013 #47

It's not a get out of jail free card jberryhill May 2013 #49

You still haven't explained why the exception for negligence leading to death for your own child. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #51

I'm with Jerry on this one.. pipoman May 2013 #60

Yes, I can imagine it, because I have witnessed it unfold. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #74

I believe the inequality pipoman May 2013 #117

I completely agree with your pipoman May 2013 #57

What if the dad doesn't learn his lesson Blue_Tires May 2013 #91

I agree the guns should be taken away, absolutely jberryhill May 2013 #93

Negligent gun owners should be locked up. avebury May 2013 #63

Are you talking about pipoman May 2013 #67

Gun Deaths. avebury May 2013 #89

As stated many times before.. pipoman May 2013 #107

Why not add to this the "worst" penalty of all? colorado_ufo May 2013 #94

Another Day, Another Shooting SoCalMusicLover May 2013 #13

willfully stupid? sigmasix May 2013 #14

The NRA works so hard to prove that guns are simply harmless tools that their idiot flock treat them alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #24

Not true. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #32

Your reasoning is astounding. harmonicon May 2013 #69

Without the NRA I might fairly assume certain types of weapons would not be available. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #75

I wouldn't expect an NRA apologist to understand that correlation does not equal causation. harmonicon May 2013 #80

Logical fallacy: genetic. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #83

Seriously, do you not get that correlation does not equal causation? harmonicon May 2013 #87

You have objected based on AtheistCrusader May 2013 #88

You might as well billh58 May 2013 #97

Man, look at the size of that straw man. You can see it from orbit. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #98

Are you not just an NRA apologist, but also a member, by chance? (nt) harmonicon May 2013 #99

I am not a member. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #102

Good for you. harmonicon May 2013 #108

I don't get it. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #109

It does matter, and it does make a difference. harmonicon May 2013 #110

Except... AtheistCrusader May 2013 #111

I feel like we're ships passing in the night here. harmonicon May 2013 #112

No, I get what you are saying but AtheistCrusader May 2013 #113

It's hard to draw parallels here. harmonicon May 2013 #114

And on that note, we agree. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #115

If you will notice billh58 May 2013 #100

That is not true. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #103

Also, you don't seem to be able to keep issues in frame. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #104

Bully for you! billh58 May 2013 #105

I can only guess why you would think people do that. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #106

You even flushed one out jberryhill May 2013 #50

Uh huh. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #54

Again and again and again randr May 2013 #15

Why shouldn't dad be arrested? marble falls May 2013 #16

Maybe no criminal intent? Maybe the high likelihood of jury nullification? pipoman May 2013 #61

Quick! Somebody tell us how many kids die in swimming pools each year! Orrex May 2013 #18

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun... thesquanderer May 2013 #95

humans are such morons. n/t iamthebandfanman May 2013 #22

Yet again, good reason to keep your kids away from the homes of gunners alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #23

+1 jberryhill May 2013 #31

As a gun owner, I agree. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #33

++ sikofit3 May 2013 #59

People who keep guns in the home demonstrate poor judgement. harmonicon May 2013 #70

Very sad. nt No Vested Interest May 2013 #29

Will the gun owner be prosecuted? blkmusclmachine May 2013 #35

"too many children are dying, too many children" Gabby Giffords mountain grammy May 2013 #36

This may be a tough statement but - to be blunt - avebury May 2013 #64

It's easy to say these people get what they deserve, but sadly these children don't get to choose spicegal May 2013 #55

In my community, the public has to buy trigger locks, because the dumbass gunowners won't Kolesar May 2013 #56

Tragic sikofit3 May 2013 #58

How is this not negligent homicide? Brigid May 2013 #62

Responsible parents should find out what the gun avebury May 2013 #65

This is why guns should be tied to owners by license and these records publicly available. onehandle May 2013 #66

Because the billh58 May 2013 #71

Doh! onehandle May 2013 #72

If you could hold the sarcasm for a moment... AtheistCrusader May 2013 #78

Now pull the billh58 May 2013 #82

Because the ACLU opposes that. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #77

The ACLU has billh58 May 2013 #85

Onehandle asked a valid question. I offered an answer. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #86

How many more babies are going to shoot babies, or themselves? bravenak May 2013 #79

2 years old! They_Live May 2013 #90

If only he had more guns--gungeoneer logic. nt valerief May 2013 #92