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pampango

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31. That's what happen now. Nothing happens to them. In a true 'global government', a 'nation-state'
Fri May 10, 2013, 05:27 PM
May 2013

would have no more option to 'not participate' than Ohio has to 'not participate' with federal laws.

Obviously, 'global government' is not even a topic for discussion (except in right-wing conspiracy circles) much less any kind of viable option being talked about. "National sovereignty" (with its associated right 'not to participate' in the efforts of others to deal with climate change) rules the day and ranks much, much higher in the minds of most people than the need to deal globally with a global problem that will eventually disrupt the societies of all the 'nation-states' that treasure their 'sovereignty' so much.

Why should the US take effective (and expensive) pollution control measure if China does not? Why should China take effective (and expensive) pollution control measure if Russia does not? Why should Russia take effective (and expensive) pollution control measure if India does not?

If Europe acts on CO2 emissions but the US does not; if the US eventually acts on CO2 emissions but China does not ... As long as the 'nation-state' and its 'sovereignty' is paramount, well you can see the likelihood of dealing with climate change.

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YAYYYY! Javaman May 2013 #1
I wish I wasn't so pessimistic and cynical, but I don't think we will stop polluting soon Dustlawyer May 2013 #2
We aren't pro-active. We're reactive. progressoid May 2013 #5
Considering how many tipping points we've whistled on by, it's pretty much too late now anyway tavalon May 2013 #24
+1 GliderGuider May 2013 #35
+2 ellisonz May 2013 #54
carbon tax now. grahamhgreen May 2013 #3
I agree drynberg May 2013 #57
Carbon tax, use the funds to build solar, wind, and other renewables. No brainer. grahamhgreen May 2013 #58
It's too late now. Zoeisright May 2013 #4
Correct. closeupready May 2013 #8
Careful. That finger pointing can be misleading. Gregorian May 2013 #15
Unless you don't drive or use electricity... RiverNoord May 2013 #16
It is a societal problem, not just a Republican/Democrat issue. tinrobot May 2013 #32
No it isn't(yes, that is a fact, btw.)....just look at the science. n/t AverageJoe90 May 2013 #36
Might this be the real reason... ReRe May 2013 #6
Apparently it might have an indierect effect groundloop May 2013 #20
Thanks for pointing me to that... ReRe May 2013 #34
"unless emisssions are curbed" - SPOILER: they won't be. closeupready May 2013 #7
Says who? n/t AverageJoe90 May 2013 #37
Malcolm Light, Guy McPherson ... and me! GliderGuider May 2013 #40
Not all energy is created equal, though. n/t AverageJoe90 May 2013 #41
87% of the energy the world uses comes from fossil fuels. GliderGuider May 2013 #44
Simply not true(BTW, your conclusion is highly flawed as well.) AverageJoe90 May 2013 #47
You know I'm neither a denier nor a greenwasher. GliderGuider May 2013 #48
I didn't say you WERE a denier, of course..... AverageJoe90 May 2013 #51
Reducing carbon output a bit won't destroy the global economy. GliderGuider May 2013 #55
... n2doc May 2013 #9
Meanwhile congress has their hands full with the Benghazi Dinner Theater Blue_Tires May 2013 #13
And proposing bills that let congress decide what science research topics get funded and published n2doc May 2013 #17
Thanks to corporate hacks who will fuck over everyone for a profit. blackspade May 2013 #10
Here's the problem Seeking Serenity May 2013 #11
This is a problem that is going to solve itself. Ganja Ninja May 2013 #12
Except that CO2 emissions are only a part of the problem. It's much bigger than energy. Gregorian May 2013 #14
Everything is driven by population n2doc May 2013 #18
Yes, there is the problem of overpopulation, industry-driven closeupready May 2013 #19
I suspect that we (that is, humankind) Seeking Serenity May 2013 #21
In all likelihood, it'll be both. AverageJoe90 May 2013 #53
It's awfully sweet of them to continue to soften this dire situation with the word "unless" tavalon May 2013 #22
we had a shot.... Locrian May 2013 #23
The US will start getting serious about this Real Soon Now (tm). Warren Stupidity May 2013 #25
Only because the real serious problems have just started occurring a few years ago. n/t AverageJoe90 May 2013 #38
Global warming is a lot like pancreatic cancer NickB79 May 2013 #43
Not the best analogy, TBH. AverageJoe90 May 2013 #45
If we don't take care of this, all the other shit doesn't matter. NYC_SKP May 2013 #26
In that case, all the other shit doesn't matter. GliderGuider May 2013 #27
Interesting times ahead. NYC_SKP May 2013 #28
Concerted global action requires some degree of (the dreaded) global government. pampango May 2013 #29
And what happens to those nation-states Seeking Serenity May 2013 #30
That's what happen now. Nothing happens to them. In a true 'global government', a 'nation-state' pampango May 2013 #31
Hey, there's a question... ReRe May 2013 #33
Our top colleges will spare no expense turning out people to tackle this problem. raouldukelives May 2013 #39
If people realized what is truly required to stop this trainwreck NickB79 May 2013 #42
"then the shit will really hit the fan." I don't think so, Nick. n/t AverageJoe90 May 2013 #46
K&R pscot May 2013 #49
. blkmusclmachine May 2013 #50
think I'll dome my O2 producing trees and acres and charge admission someday. Sunlei May 2013 #52
I believe remaining above 400ppm will doom cities like New Orleans to the same fate as Atlantis. nt Selatius May 2013 #56
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