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[The Doctor.]

98. What do you mean "Huh?"?

There is no need to substitute rudeness for substance here. If there is one DUer that understands condescension, it's most certainly myself. There is no place for that, even in such a small dose, in this exchange.

The question that I asked was very straightforward. I've examined each and every one of your links and not a single one provides any evidence that it was Obama that wanted any of the above. I get the notion that 'The Buck Stops Here', and I'm not necessarily letting him off the hook for what happens in his administration, but my point upthread is that he doesn't have full control over his administration... for now.

In fact, I said exactly this:

(Consider that) Obama was not lying when he said he was not in favor of the very points you are also opposed to. Consider that to do some real good in the face of what is arguably the most ardent and unreasonable opposition any president since Lincoln has ever faced, Obama had to make compromises that he was unequivocally opposed to.

Consider that the reality is more frightening and potentially more dire than "Obama did it because HE wanted it", but "Obama did it because there was no alternative".


In not one single link that you have provided is there any indication of any kind that I am wrong here. In fact, there is this interesting excerpt:

The policy, if adopted, would apply to future terrorism captures, and is reportedly still being debated within the administration with some officials voicing objections.

*Emphasis mine.
http://www.aclu.org/national-security/obama-administration-officials-drafting-secret-indefinite-detention-policy

What you have provided in stead is evidence that the administration was torn. Since Obama actually and unequivocally stated:

“I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation and prosecution of suspected terrorists.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/01/02/president-obama-signed-the-national-defense-authorization-act-now-what/

... it stands to reason that my suggestion that Obama is opposed to the very same points you are is correct.

Apparently, he's on your side in all of this, and you do not seem to have evidence to the contrary. It would seem that your 'belief' that Obama is the bad guy is composed more of desire than reality.

You and Obama seem to agree on the detention issue. You both have stated an aversion to it. Are you still possessed of the belief that he does not agree with you?