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In reply to the discussion: Global carbon dioxide in atmosphere passes milestone level [View all]GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)40. Malcolm Light, Guy McPherson ... and me!
Seriously, the thermodynamic foundations that underpin the universe, including the origin of matter, life, ecosystems, societies and the shape of human culture since the beginning of time have made this inevitable. According to the operation of the Second Law in open systems, the thermodynamic Prime Directive of all life is to break down both actual and potential energy gradients as quickly as possible, wherever they can be found. This includes energy flows from incoming sunlight and its side effects like wind and water power, and especially all stocks of stored energy, like biomass (wood) uranium and fossil fuels.
Of course we see just the energy side of the equation - more life-giving energy flowing through our systems creates more opportunities for structure and organization to grow, in order to process more energy, in order to create more structure, to process more energy. It's a classic positive feedback loop. It's too bad that we have not been able to recognize the entropic side of that process - as a result we get desertification, deforestation, climate change and ocean acidification.
For our global culture to try to stop this behaviour would be the same as deciding to fall up instead of down when we slip off a cliff.
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I wish I wasn't so pessimistic and cynical, but I don't think we will stop polluting soon
Dustlawyer
May 2013
#2
Considering how many tipping points we've whistled on by, it's pretty much too late now anyway
tavalon
May 2013
#24
Carbon tax, use the funds to build solar, wind, and other renewables. No brainer.
grahamhgreen
May 2013
#58
And proposing bills that let congress decide what science research topics get funded and published
n2doc
May 2013
#17
Except that CO2 emissions are only a part of the problem. It's much bigger than energy.
Gregorian
May 2013
#14
It's awfully sweet of them to continue to soften this dire situation with the word "unless"
tavalon
May 2013
#22
Only because the real serious problems have just started occurring a few years ago. n/t
AverageJoe90
May 2013
#38
Concerted global action requires some degree of (the dreaded) global government.
pampango
May 2013
#29
That's what happen now. Nothing happens to them. In a true 'global government', a 'nation-state'
pampango
May 2013
#31
Our top colleges will spare no expense turning out people to tackle this problem.
raouldukelives
May 2013
#39