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DreamGypsy

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31. Yippee!!! Entering the next phase of the Drone Cold War!!
Wed May 15, 2013, 11:35 AM
May 2013

Ah, the fond memories of the 50's and 60's when we and our pals developed SLBMs (submarine launched ballistic missiles). Remember how well that worked out?

From Wikipedia:

The first practical design of a submarine-based launch platform was developed by the Germans near the end of World War II involving a launch tube which contained a ballistic missile and was towed behind a submarine. The war ended before it could be tested, but the engineers who had worked on it went on to work for the USA and USSR on their SLBM programs. These and other early SLBM systems required vessels to be surfaced when they fired missiles, but launch systems eventually were adapted to allow underwater launching in the 1950-1960s. The United States made the first successful underwater launch of a Polaris A1 on 20 July 1960.[1] Forty days later, the Soviet Union made its first successful underwater launch of a submarine ballistic missile in the White Sea on 10 September 1960 from the same converted Project 611 (Zulu Class) submarine that first launched the R-11FM (SS-N-1 Scud-A, naval modification of SS-1 Scud) on 16 September 1955.[2][3] However, the Soviet Union was able to beat the U.S. in launching and testing the first armed SLBM, an R-13 that detonated in the Novaya Zemlya Test Range in the Arctic Ocean, doing so on October 20, 1961,[4] just ten days before the gigantic 50 MT Tsar Bomba's detonation in the same general area.
French M45 SLBM and M51 SLBM

Ballistic missile submarines have been of great strategic importance for the USA and Russia and other nuclear powers since the start of the Cold War, as they can hide from reconnaissance satellites and fire their nuclear weapons with virtual impunity. This makes them immune to a first strike directed against nuclear forces, allowing each side to maintain the capability to launch a devastating retaliatory strike, even if all land-based missiles have been destroyed. This relieves each side of the necessity to adopt a launch on warning posture, with its grave attendant risk of accidental nuclear war. Additionally, the deployment of highly accurate missiles on ultra-quiet submarines allows an attacker to sneak up close to the enemy coast and launch a missile on a depressed trajectory (a non-optimal ballistic trajectory which trades off reduced throw-weight for a faster and lower path, effectively reducing the time between launch and impact), thus opening the possibility of a decapitation strike.


Sure, drone takeoff from a carrier didn't require much technological advance, but evidently the U.S. Navy thinks it's historical.

Interesting that the Chinese see a great opportunity as well: Report: Chinese Drone 'Swarms' Designed to Attack American Aircraft Carriers from U.S.News & World Report:

According to Easton, who studied more than 100 Chinese-language military technology journals, official government reports and news reports out of Taiwan, the Chinese see drones as a platform to wage war at the "highest level of conflict." Chinese documents suggest that the country's People's Liberation Army "envision[s] attacking U.S. aircraft carrier battle groups with swarms of multi-mission UAVs."

While the American military has mainly used drones for reconnaissance in the Middle East and Northern Africa and precision strikes against small groups of insurgents or terrorists, Chinese reports suggest that they plan to use the drones in the event of a conventional war. While American drones are rarely lost overseas, China envisions attacks "with initial waves of decoy drones" followed by swarms of strike drones that would often be shot down during their mission.

"When the Chinese look at UAVs, they see tremendous capabilities for high-end conflict. We've been using them for low-intensity situations," Easton says. "The Chinese have done an overwhelming number of studies discussing using UAVs as having the capabilities of hitting U.S. aircraft carrier strike groups. That's what they're planning to do."


Oh, well. Guess I'll start storing my beer in the bomb shelter...uh, sorry, drone shelter...again.



(on edit: replaced "are" with "and&quot

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Drone launch breaks barrier [View all] Judi Lynn May 2013 OP
Evil GeorgeGist May 2013 #1
It's fucking amazing how the war mentality advances technology lunatica May 2013 #2
If only. You can't get there from here, apparently. Judi Lynn May 2013 #5
"the U.S. military would not need permission" Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #3
The US still needs permission to fly over foreign airspace. formercia May 2013 #10
Do we? AtheistCrusader May 2013 #25
but that's the whole point of the drones Blue_Tires May 2013 #28
They can also claim it's killing your forces was natural... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #29
Launching from a carrier is one thing. Landing is entirely another... Cooley Hurd May 2013 #4
The Navy has been using an automated landing system on carriers for at least a decade hack89 May 2013 #7
Aw, that takes all the fun out of it William Seger May 2013 #9
Aboard the Poppy-Skull & Boner-Bush aircraft carrier Berlum May 2013 #6
What could go wrong? nt bemildred May 2013 #8
Not much hack89 May 2013 #12
Being a software engineer, I do not share your optimism. bemildred May 2013 #16
Except there is nothing really ground breaking here. hack89 May 2013 #18
Hey, good luck. I used to work in defense. bemildred May 2013 #22
I too have a lot of experience with the military hack89 May 2013 #24
A whole lot of money is going into drones, Bosso 63 May 2013 #11
China is the the reason for these drones. hack89 May 2013 #13
top guns? heaven05 May 2013 #14
Missile technology has made true fighter pilots as they were known in the 70's, obsolete anyway. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #26
hey heaven05 May 2013 #34
Oh yeah? Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #30
cute heaven05 May 2013 #33
Cool! Soon we won't need any ground troops anywhere. No deaths. graham4anything May 2013 #15
Except for the deaths caused by the drones. hobbit709 May 2013 #17
faux arguement debunked a million times now graham4anything May 2013 #19
You just don't give a shit how many people die as long as you are "safe" hobbit709 May 2013 #20
Why are not you for a total ban of guns/bullets by private individ. in USA? graham4anything May 2013 #21
WTF does THAT have to do with this thread? hobbit709 May 2013 #23
Weapons that are so easy to use, and cost/risk-free... get used. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #27
Yippee!!! Entering the next phase of the Drone Cold War!! DreamGypsy May 2013 #31
This can't possibly go wrong, giving cowards even larger doses of courage. n/t A Simple Game May 2013 #32
K&R nt. polly7 May 2013 #35
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