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136. We'll see. I've seen it wax and wane many times in my 30-odd years.

Wed May 15, 2013, 09:12 PM

May 2013

First, it was John Lennon, almost Ronald Reagan... basically nothing changed.

Then, it really seemed like things would change with the moment from things like Bowling for Columbine... basically nothing changed.

Now, we've had a year or two where lots of white people have been getting shot... and basically nothing has changed.

I grew up in a house where guns weren't allowed. This was largely because my father had been in the military and didn't want to have anything to do with weapons after that. He always made a point of saying things like, "you know that's just pretend," when I was watching GI Joe.

Having people like you and I just become more vociferous about the harm that guns cause our culture will not change things. Only having more people have these feelings will change things. Right now, I'm afraid I'm just seeing more of the former and none of the latter (case in point: DU).

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Woman In Starbucks Drops Purse With Forgotten Gun, Shoots Friend In The Leg: St. Pete Police [View all] onehandle May 2013 OP

Why did the Article run with a picture of a GLOCK, when it was a 25 caliber gun??? happyslug May 2013 #1

Because... Who cares? onehandle May 2013 #2

Nice Lovejoy! friendly_iconoclast May 2013 #5

Unfortunately, too many aren't. nt awoke_in_2003 May 2013 #50

I thought that was Maude Flanders JackInGreen May 2013 #72

It was Helen Lovejoy: friendly_iconoclast May 2013 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author thucythucy May 2013 #81

You are correct as to any pistol can kill, but it takes a very large purse to carry a Glock happyslug May 2013 #6

Not really quakerboy May 2013 #44

Have you seen the size of the average woman's purse these days. We can carry the kitchen sink politicaljunkie41910 May 2013 #71

how big is a glock? RILib May 2013 #140

different sizes quakerboy May 2013 #148

I can carry a baby Glock .40 (Glock 17) in my pants pocket if I wish ... spin May 2013 #101

Glock 17 fires a 9mm round. Glock 22, 23, 24, 27, 35 all fire .40 auto. Sirveri May 2013 #112

The Glock 27 has a snappy recoil ... spin May 2013 #123

So what? Why is this gun trivia even needed in this discussion? CTyankee May 2013 #108

I care, because journalism should present accurate and well researched info. Threedifferentones May 2013 #58

HuffPo is the very definition of lazy journalism. onehandle May 2013 #66

Good luck getting editors to run them nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #74

Because a glock cannot fire from being dropped. SlipperySlope May 2013 #79

I thought the same.. pipoman May 2013 #120

Holeeeee shit, that changes everything! TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #4

If you want to debate never give the other side an chance to attack happyslug May 2013 #9

It was probably a newspaper file photo TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #12

Winner!!!! nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #30

Yeah, let's focus on Zoeisright May 2013 #43

Gun owner did not have a concealed license Hangingon May 2013 #85

The gun owner also probably lacked firearm safety training ... spin May 2013 #102

+1 I had to demonstrate safety knowledge here in Texas Hangingon May 2013 #105

Whew! What a relief! Walk away May 2013 #40

How thin can you split that hair? Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #24

Aha! The entire story is fake! jberryhill May 2013 #27

The only thing that can stop a christx30 May 2013 #70

DUzy jberryhill May 2013 #88

Because it's a gun. harmonicon May 2013 #61

Yeah, they should have showed the bloodied leg. nt valerief May 2013 #77

'Cause that's the REALLY important Le Taz Hot May 2013 #78

The model of gun involved is completely irrelevant. kestrel91316 May 2013 #103

Forgot about it? treestar May 2013 #3

And that is why the case is getting sent to prosecutors. friendly_iconoclast May 2013 #8

Doesn't treat it like a dangerous thing...Heck,it's existence is thy rod and staff to comfort them.. Tikki May 2013 #22

I'm old enough to say it - "far out" xtraxritical May 2013 #47

Exactly! mimi85 May 2013 #54

She lugged a gun around in a gun around in a bag for a year and "forgot" about it? hughee99 May 2013 #7

My sister found a 1998 calendar in her purse. Archae May 2013 #10

Was the calendar loaded with the safety off and weigh about a pound? hughee99 May 2013 #16

Yes. . .and if you pulled out the calendar, you could kill someone with the squeeze of a finger Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #26

I agree with you 100%. DakotaLady May 2013 #20

My purse is heavy enough with just a wallet, phone, pens, and glasses mainer May 2013 #59

we're number 1! we're number 1! florida's back on top of the dumb pile! eom ellenfl May 2013 #11

Just last week another woman dropped her purse with a swimming pool in it. Orrex May 2013 #13

I bet she was too busy breastfeeding her pit bull Art_from_Ark May 2013 #15

LOL! *snort* smirkymonkey May 2013 #96

+1 (nt) harmonicon May 2013 #62

Another worthy entry for the Florida Man/Florida Woman saga... Tanuki May 2013 #14

Awesome link. Thanks. n/t Laelth May 2013 #133

Another responsible gun-owner firing off a round in a public place mokawanis May 2013 #17

Except she wasn't... bobclark86 May 2013 #37

Well said mokawanis May 2013 #39

She was, right up untill she wasn't quakerboy May 2013 #46

She was carrying around a loaded gun that she didn't have a permit to carry, hughee99 May 2013 #48

Then why didnt they arrest her? quakerboy May 2013 #51

The case was referred to the prosecutors, according to the article. hughee99 May 2013 #53

I am suggesting quakerboy May 2013 #104

In many states, owners need a license to own a handgun. hughee99 May 2013 #107

The whole point of gun safety laws are to help prevent such instances. On this we should CTyankee May 2013 #109

But she was quakerboy May 2013 #119

She was NOT a legal, responsible gun owner in that she was breaking the law hughee99 May 2013 #121

But she was as far as anyone knew. And she was presumed to be quakerboy May 2013 #122

Ah, okay, I understand now. hughee99 May 2013 #129

Correct. Union Scribe May 2013 #94

If you are going to carry, it needs to be in a holster on your belt, not in a purse. Skeeter Barnes May 2013 #18

Many women carry in a purse. In fact there are purses designed for concealed carry... spin May 2013 #84

Shoulder or belt holster? I can never decide which looks cooler... CTyankee May 2013 #110

A shoulder holster makes more sense if you are driving for a distance. ... spin May 2013 #127

But you would need your back fat spandex control...don't you see? CTyankee May 2013 #134

If only her friend had been armed too. progressoid May 2013 #19

Something doesn't add up... JohnnyRingo May 2013 #21

But in a purse full of crap, there's lots of things that could wedge into the trigger. Thor_MN May 2013 #34

Anything's possible... JohnnyRingo May 2013 #67

It's unlikely a cheap .25 auto... Bay Boy May 2013 #68

You don't think a handgun cramed into a purse wouldn't simulate being gripped? Thor_MN May 2013 #98

This is a high probability contributor to the case being discussed. ManiacJoe May 2013 #90

Another responsible gun owner, did not know it was there, did not know that my tampon could undue Rebellious Republican May 2013 #99

Every .25-cal handgun is a cheaply made POS NickB79 May 2013 #83

Beretta makes a .25 caliber pistol. ... spin May 2013 #86

I wonder if she was carrying a knife, if it would have gone off and shot a friend in a leg Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #23

Or a baseball bat Doctor_J May 2013 #69

Swimming pools too. I've seen gundamentalists here on DU use that NRA talking point as well. Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #97

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #25

Why is this starbucks fault? juajen May 2013 #36

It's their fault for not shooting every customer when they walk in the door. harmonicon May 2013 #63

If only the barista was armed....(n/m) ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #125

Yet another responsible gun owner. SheilaT May 2013 #28

BS Chalfont May 2013 #29

Yeah I'd be checking that store's security tapes Union Scribe May 2013 #95

Jaysus. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #31

The only thing that can stop a bad purse with a gun is a good leg with a gun. truthisfreedom May 2013 #32

Was it her good purse or her bad purse? Thor_MN May 2013 #33

Guns don't kill people...purses do! nt Walk away May 2013 #41

Purse control!!!! We need purse the control. It wasn't the gun. It was the purse! Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #49

Now just how in the hell do you have a gun in your purse for a year . . . Brigid May 2013 #35

If it's the size of my digital recorder... nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #38

My guess is it usually happens quakerboy May 2013 #45

How do you "forget" where your gun is?? I know where mine is every minute of every day. kcass1954 May 2013 #42

So she was breaking the law against CCW - maybe we should make another ccw law for her? The Straight Story May 2013 #52

And why not get rid of these stupid drunk driving laws while we're at it? harmonicon May 2013 #64

Ah - excellent question. Here is the answer The Straight Story May 2013 #82

I guess we're largely in agreement about this. harmonicon May 2013 #93

Yes, let's stop making laws against stuff...let the culture magically change all by itself. CTyankee May 2013 #111

That is what happened. harmonicon May 2013 #113

I'm old enough to remember Ike sending 101st airborne to Little Rock... CTyankee May 2013 #114

Which was because of a Supreme Court decision... harmonicon May 2013 #116

well, I think it takes both. SCOTUS was ahead of lots of people's times in that decision. CTyankee May 2013 #117

I see that the point has been reached in regards to marriage equality, but not gun safety. harmonicon May 2013 #118

It is coming faster than you think. There is real momentum around this movement. CTyankee May 2013 #135

We'll see. I've seen it wax and wane many times in my 30-odd years. harmonicon May 2013 #136

public opinion polls show overwhelming support for gun safety laws... CTyankee May 2013 #138

It's not gun control laws that I'm talking about. harmonicon May 2013 #141

We didn't think that stiffer drunk driving laws would stop people from doing it, but they CTyankee May 2013 #142

Another conversation, indeed. harmonicon May 2013 #143

Sensible gun laws? Well, yes, I am in favor of that... CTyankee May 2013 #145

The first step has to be a change in attitudes. harmonicon May 2013 #146

I'm in full favor of the Swiss idea, but tell me something: why hasn't that kind of CTyankee May 2013 #147

Venti latte, extra shot. n/t rucky May 2013 #55

If the Harlem shake gets old and Broneys get old, how come the gun accident trend doesn't go away? Bucky May 2013 #56

I can't believe she hasn't changed purses Ilsa May 2013 #57

Maybe she did, and thats why she forgot the gun was in that purse. darkangel218 May 2013 #131

The NRA, the gun manufacturers, the gun dealers, and gunners in general promote blase attitudes alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #60

A similar thing happened in a town near me awhile back in a McDonald's. classof56 May 2013 #65

Our County Commissioner 'forgot' his gun going into courthouse duhneece May 2013 #73

She hadn't dumped her purse in a year? Hekate May 2013 #75

Just another accident, folks. Nothing to see here, move on. AndyA May 2013 #76

Just how big is her purse? undeterred May 2013 #80

The Titan 25 is pretty small SlipperySlope May 2013 #87

Sure, she must have thought it was a cigarette lighter or a tampon! N/T Rebellious Republican May 2013 #92

A gun down the front of our pants olddots May 2013 #89

Most of them don't seem to know that. harmonicon May 2013 #115

How does a woman forget there is a gun in her purse! In_The_Wind May 2013 #91

I knw very little about firearms mysuzuki2 May 2013 #100

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. ManiacJoe May 2013 #132

That does it! I'm not going to Starbucks anymore. They've become too dangerous. Kablooie May 2013 #106

Women and their bags ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #124

Lovely. (sarcasm) n/t Laelth May 2013 #126

Until my recent divorce from StarFucks demwing May 2013 #128

This was NOT a responsible gun owner, and anyone who wants to make an "example" of it darkangel218 May 2013 #130

covers mouth to prevent obviously laughing at karma at work RILib May 2013 #139

I shop in that mall...and now I can't go anywhere! Sancho May 2013 #144