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212. This bill is going to have a nightmare of consequences, and none of them

Thu Feb 9, 2012, 03:55 PM

Feb 2012

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have to do with homeschooling or religion...

One of the coal mine canaries nobody wants to address is just how laughably corrupt and lawless sports have become on the high school level for top-level players, parents, coaches, referees, and school officials on local and state levels (decades of influence from the NCAA and AAU have trickled down)...Look at the history of most top athletes and see just HOW many high school switches are in their record -- There are countless examples of them making at least 2-3 changes in the same YEAR...Look and see how many tricks are pulled to make sure a top player "lives" in the schooling district so he's eligible (up to and including moving in with the coach)...Look and see just how much time and travel distance high-profile AAU teams take up, essentially making it a full-time job (and don't get me started on the coach's 501c charity scams)...And look and see just how many times violations are brushed aside with a wink and a nod and given no punishment by state governing boards...

By far the biggest beneficiaries of this bill (and soon to be the biggest exploiters) are the big time football/basketball prospects, because there are a hell of a lot more of them in the Commonwealth than homeschoolers interested in playing sports...They will just declare themselves "homeschool" and become play-for-pay mercenaries...Many of them already are; this bill will just make it easier...

The state legislature is following their usual form, creating grandstanding, meaningless answers for things that don't need a solution while pandering to a fundie base...If homeschool parents were REALLY interested in getting their kids in sports, the AAU and dozens of amateur organizations have been around forever...

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'Tebow� bill to let home-schoolers play high school sports passes Va. House [View all] underpants Feb 2012 OP

Enough Already 1ProudAtheist Feb 2012 #1

Public school players have to maintain a certain gpa to play. Homeschoolers? Who 'vets' their grades peacebird Feb 2012 #13

Home schooling shouldn't even be legal. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #14

I would have thought so too, but my nephew was home-schooled. He is presently truthisfreedom Feb 2012 #28

His scholarship should be revoked immediately. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #113

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm here? nxylas Feb 2012 #132

Aren't you being a bit harsh? totodeinhere Feb 2012 #196

What was the program? Or may your nephew is just damn smart? nt nanabugg Feb 2012 #253

Vincent Giordano agrees: NJ Teachers Union Boss With 500K Salary Tells Poor "Life's Not Fair" stockholmer Feb 2012 #118

I think the opposition to vouchers is mostly from people whose personal economic future is bound up TMED Feb 2012 #154

Not all Charters are like that LynneSin Feb 2012 #162

Jesus... xocet Feb 2012 #33

LOL! peacebird Feb 2012 #35

Drop Kick Me Jesus Through The Goal Post of Life stockholmer Feb 2012 #124

eisogesis versus exogesis grantcart Feb 2012 #274

Sorry, you are reading that book all wrong.... xocet Feb 2012 #279

Evidently, Someone Ripped Some Pages Out Of Your Oxford... Thaddeus Kosciuszko Feb 2012 #71

+10000, and especially so are his hateful followers stockholmer Feb 2012 #122

If you're not taking classes at that high school, you can't play sports there Cali_Democrat Feb 2012 #2

I am a bit split on this ...okay not really underpants Feb 2012 #4

I think the "pays taxes" argument supercedes all others. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #7

Childless property owners pay school taxes too jmowreader Feb 2012 #128

Excellent post! nt U4ikLefty Feb 2012 #252

K&R!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2012 #265

At our high school, sports is a class wtmusic Feb 2012 #152

I Choose Not to Enroll in the Military LarryNM Feb 2012 #194

The second thing you'd like to be able to do isn't such a bad idea jmowreader Feb 2012 #254

Schools get money based on student enrollment obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #10

That's why many schools punish truancy harshly Cali_Democrat Feb 2012 #57

Yup -- I'm surprised people don't know this obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #62

Why isn't your cat in school? TMED Feb 2012 #144

That would have made christx30 Feb 2012 #267

Okay that is a point that I did not know underpants Feb 2012 #134

Their Parents Support The Activities; Thus, It Would Be Unethical To Deny Their Children Thaddeus Kosciuszko Feb 2012 #74

Then give them back taxes paid towards the school.... Zax2me Feb 2012 #257

Yes but they don't attend the school so why let them play on the school's teams? Botany Feb 2012 #3

or that is another way to put it underpants Feb 2012 #5

As long as you let them opt out of school taxes. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #6

If they don't want to pay property taxes that support a local Botany Feb 2012 #11

Because everyone can just move away. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #12

No. Funding public education is the responsibility of all citizens. Period. An educated population peacebird Feb 2012 #16

What other services do you suggest citizens fund that they cannot take advantage of? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #18

Everyone benefits from an educated citizenry. On edit: you said "take advantage of"... Hence our peacebird Feb 2012 #23

So are home schooled kids uneducated? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #102

Nice straw man, i never said home schooled kids were uneducated. peacebird Feb 2012 #135

You said everyone benefits from and educated citizenry Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #136

They CAN take advantage of public education (and sports). KamaAina Feb 2012 #26

They are choosing to take advantage of sports. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #104

So, they can join a non-school sports program? boppers Feb 2012 #123

I don't have children obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #40

Grants you future access. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #105

Not if you are beyond child-bearing years, like most of the adult population. spooky3 Feb 2012 #180

Who paid for your public education? kemah Feb 2012 #195

what does that have to do with "grants you future access?" spooky3 Feb 2012 #230

ALL OF THEM. Fire Departments have to serve disproportionately poor neighborhoods... NYC_SKP Feb 2012 #63

I agree. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #107

But allow them to go to the war zone to play sports. wtmusic Feb 2012 #158

gang activity doesn't have the prevalence Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #160

Or work to improve the district... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #188

So if it takes 10 years then at least you are helping the future children. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #189

i don't have kids. can i opt out of paying school taxes? frylock Feb 2012 #17

Sure. It's the new thing. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #19

no, but since you pay taxes, you can play on the high school team. provis99 Feb 2012 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author provis99 Feb 2012 #37

When you were in school other people paid kemah Feb 2012 #145

You seem to be operating under the delusion that people pay taxes to send their children to school Thor_MN Feb 2012 #38

I thought schools were to help kids? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #109

Exactly, All kids. Thor_MN Feb 2012 #140

Yes, all kids. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #141

No, you were suggesting that homeschoolers should not have to pay taxes for public schools. Thor_MN Feb 2012 #142

if they can't participate in activities, yes Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #146

You seem to be unable to comprehend that we pay taxes to educate all children Thor_MN Feb 2012 #247

You seem unable to respond to my points. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #249

You seem to be unable to comprehend what I've already said Thor_MN Feb 2012 #270

Your lack of answer is an answer. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #271

Go back and read my posts and you will see that I have answered you Thor_MN Feb 2012 #272

Using your logical, then those of us with no children dflprincess Feb 2012 #78

My logical is that schools are there to help all kids. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #111

I think you may be lost tech_smythe Feb 2012 #83

Brat? Nice. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #112

if they want to drain public school resources.. then yes tech_smythe Feb 2012 #116

Or maybe they're just living in the Bronx and don't want their kids to use the metal detectors. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #119

Hi, what planet do you live on? tech_smythe Feb 2012 #120

You're having your words turned around on you with Broderick Feb 2012 #139

You paint with a broad brush. jhasp Feb 2012 #130

Every homeschooling parent I've ever talked to claims proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #168

Okay.... jhasp Feb 2012 #177

there seems to be a contradiction in your posts: spooky3 Feb 2012 #183

Indoctrination isn't always hateful jhasp Feb 2012 #192

thanks for the clarification as to your intent spooky3 Feb 2012 #232

And education programs dealing with homonyms, too. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #190

LOL. Long days at work definitely stress my grammatical ability. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #191

This message was self-deleted by its author Occupy_2012 Feb 2012 #41

which is ironic really tech_smythe Feb 2012 #85

The Considerations Of Parents Who Choose To Home-School Thaddeus Kosciuszko Feb 2012 #75

In our county, we have an alternative public magnet school that does this ehrnst Feb 2012 #153

You might very well be right but I fear these "school the kids @ home" fundy ... Botany Feb 2012 #163

There are people that home school their kids because of special needs ehrnst Feb 2012 #175

It is a complex issue and did not mean to paint w/ a broad brush Botany Feb 2012 #178

Not everyone christx30 Feb 2012 #268

I oppose this from a school pride/spirit perspective Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #8

I agree with this obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #21

Ruby, Put Your Liberal Hat Back On. Thaddeus Kosciuszko Feb 2012 #77

Children who are home schooled have not been socialized Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #99

So homeschool kids aren't properly socialized and... jhasp Feb 2012 #131

+1 (nt) Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #193

Do not agree obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #9

UGH ForeverLiberal Feb 2012 #15

"Home schoolers literally take money from the kids who are in public schools." Thaddeus Kosciuszko Feb 2012 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author Occupy_2012 Feb 2012 #86

Take = Seize, Capture, Procure, Steal, Appropriate, Purloin, etc. Thaddeus Kosciuszko Feb 2012 #93

This makes no sense. jhasp Feb 2012 #133

So you admit that you are wasting your money underpants Feb 2012 #261

Yes, but the schools don't have to spend any money educating the home schooled totodeinhere Feb 2012 #198

Schools to GET any money for homeschoolers underpants Feb 2012 #262

couldn't the homeschoolers make their own private teams ? JI7 Feb 2012 #20

They do -- they have private teams obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #22

so what is the purpose of this bill ? JI7 Feb 2012 #25

To prove they're more "godly" than you are maxrandb Feb 2012 #30

to steal money from public school bankrupting them faster tech_smythe Feb 2012 #87

Probably college athletic scholarships obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #52

Fun. Thaddeus Kosciuszko Feb 2012 #80

That's what I was thinking as well. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #43

100% right obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #48

I know you didn't mean it this way but when you said "They often do have their own teams, and even pampango Feb 2012 #138

Students and their parents are deciding to be home schooled Nikia Feb 2012 #185

I'm all for allowing home schooled children to try out for Public School teams. hughee99 Feb 2012 #24

Finally, some sanity in this thread a2liberal Feb 2012 #39

Nobody is saying they can't play on sports teams obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #44

PUBLIC I think is the key word here. hughee99 Feb 2012 #59

I don't get to use the same resources obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #64

If you were of the appropriate age to compete in high school athletics hughee99 Feb 2012 #73

if they want to be ON the team, they should be IN the school tech_smythe Feb 2012 #89

In MA, home schooled students have to pay the same fees as any other player. hughee99 Feb 2012 #101

easier to deny the brats tech_smythe Feb 2012 #106

the school looses money for every home-school'd player on the team tech_smythe Feb 2012 #88

Then written into the same law should be something to accomodate this. hughee99 Feb 2012 #103

you really don't seem to understand the point of this law do you tech_smythe Feb 2012 #108

Based on your comments and I'm the one with an angle? hughee99 Feb 2012 #117

the difference is law... tech_smythe Feb 2012 #121

If you think the kids get a better education at home, hughee99 Feb 2012 #125

*sighs* do you make it a habbit of not even bothering to read replies? tech_smythe Feb 2012 #126

Read every bit of it. hughee99 Feb 2012 #127

How so? Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #197

schools get paid for attendence tech_smythe Feb 2012 #211

Two things Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #214

Not this again... jmowreader Feb 2012 #255

Then let them form a "virtual homeschool" KamaAina Feb 2012 #27

That Would Not Be Fair To The Other Teams. Thaddeus Kosciuszko Feb 2012 #82

You have a point. KamaAina Feb 2012 #84

...sorry, I'm WAY over this guy. SoapBox Feb 2012 #29

Wonderful policy. Parents of home school students are taxed to fund school atheletic programs. jody Feb 2012 #31

They aren't being denied anything. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #45

They pay taxes to support sports, legally can refuse to go to school, so the result is they are jody Feb 2012 #51

I pay those same taxes for the same thing obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #54

You have my support. nt jody Feb 2012 #58

Yes, because that makes so much sense, doesn't it? obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #65

We ALL pay taxes to support a community and a lifestyle proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #61

What "We ALL pay taxes to support" is not the question. It is whether for a program that has not jody Feb 2012 #66

I have never once called 911 for help from my local police proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #70

The parents opted out. Their choice. They can enroll their kids in one of the private neverforget Feb 2012 #49

I agree if their tax bill is reduced the appropriate amount. nt jody Feb 2012 #53

So, everyone without children can get a reduction, too? obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #55

The question is whether society benefits from education and how to apportion the cost of education jody Feb 2012 #60

That's not your argument upthread obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #67

Why? Should people who don't have kids not help fund schools? neverforget Feb 2012 #69

I said nothing about funding schools. I addressed funding sports programs. nt jody Feb 2012 #72

You said this in post 53 "I agree if their tax bill is reduced the appropriate amount. nt" neverforget Feb 2012 #81

"The parents opted out. Their choice." Thaddeus Kosciuszko Feb 2012 #90

Nothing wrong with that. Send them to a school where there are other children. neverforget Feb 2012 #110

They only "opted out" because that's the Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #199

So a kid who doesn't go to that school can take the spot of kid who actually attends the neverforget Feb 2012 #243

Yes it does Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #244

It costs the kid who is physically attending the school a spot. Period. neverforget Feb 2012 #248

And why is that kid owed a spot? Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #250

I don't have any children, so what should the district give me? obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #50

Understand but IMO there is a difference between asserting society benefits from education and jody Feb 2012 #56

"I want to keep my precious away from public school low lifes AND let them play football too". nt msongs Feb 2012 #32

This is going to create a "soup sandwich" maxrandb Feb 2012 #34

Home school bashers Ratty Feb 2012 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author Occupy_2012 Feb 2012 #92

they don't get because they don't want to... fascisthunter Feb 2012 #171

Total Accord Is Never Anticipated--But There Are Many Varieties Of Bright Lights. Thaddeus Kosciuszko Feb 2012 #96

Two progressive families we know choose to home school because they live in a big city. pampango Feb 2012 #143

What's wrong with Dayton City schools? Nikia Feb 2012 #269

Should students at private schools get to play on public school sports teams? obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #46

+1.nt wtmusic Feb 2012 #147

If that private school doesn't have a team for the sport and the public one Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #201

perfect point underpants Feb 2012 #263

multi town in low population states. guss Feb 2012 #47

It seems like a good idea. HuckleB Feb 2012 #68

Are they going to be allowed WoodyM90 Feb 2012 #76

would that be the romney rule? tech_smythe Feb 2012 #91

It doesn't work that way in our community ehrnst Feb 2012 #155

Are they part of that class or a student? Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #202

We had this rule when I was a HS coach in FL in the 1990's JCMach1 Feb 2012 #94

I cannot believe the home school hate in this thread. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #95

considering that most HSers now a days are fundies teaching their kids fairy tales as facts... tech_smythe Feb 2012 #114

They are also very smart. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #137

The children matter the most. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #97

FWIW, most homeschool parents I know don't want access to public school teams/ facilities/ whatever. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #98

Hey, our own Ava was home schooled and look where she is! graywarrior Feb 2012 #100

She didn't play football. Major Hogwash Feb 2012 #159

Well, I guess you told me! graywarrior Feb 2012 #186

This is Bad Policy LarryNM Feb 2012 #115

Letting untrained "teachers" be a future voter's sole influence wtmusic Feb 2012 #157

On the other hand Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #203

Faith is back... SayIt Feb 2012 #129

"Faith".... no. More like Political religio-fanaticsim that is Unamerican fascisthunter Feb 2012 #170

For those who complain about not having kids but still pay property tax kemah Feb 2012 #148

Agreed - they should meet the academic standards required for participation. ehrnst Feb 2012 #156

I see no problem - it's not the kids who decided to homeschool. ehrnst Feb 2012 #149

What? Let kids participate in school sports, school drama, school band... just1voice Feb 2012 #174

Is it better for society if the kid Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #204

If they pay school taxes, why not, however... Javaman Feb 2012 #150

Do school taxes go to the schools? JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2012 #208

I know a portion of my property taxes go to the schools here in my city. Javaman Feb 2012 #210

Have you ever heard of a home schooler who DIDN'T get straight A's? underpants Feb 2012 #264

Yes, actually I have. Javaman Feb 2012 #273

Well I never have underpants Feb 2012 #276

dupe. nt Javaman Feb 2012 #277

funny how that works. LOL nt Javaman Feb 2012 #278

Next: "I want to homeschool my kid for only some of his classes wtmusic Feb 2012 #151

Why? Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #206

Ah, "authoritarian" is any system involving obligation wtmusic Feb 2012 #215

True, unless you use the definition Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #219

Wow, a real anarchist. wtmusic Feb 2012 #223

If there are all these homeschoolers out there let them former their own teams & clubs LynneSin Feb 2012 #161

Seems Like a Decent Bill On the Road Feb 2012 #164

Then you better send them to school to pick up that lunch they paid for, too. wtmusic Feb 2012 #165

So you would rather them go hungry as well? Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #207

No, they have to play by society's rules. wtmusic Feb 2012 #213

And we are discussing what those rules are Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #216

Then don't change the subject wtmusic Feb 2012 #221

Feeding poor kids isn't the best use of funds Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #224

Why just kids? Why not feed the homeless from school lunch programs too? wtmusic Feb 2012 #225

Because adults are or at least can be responsible for themselves Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #235

Whims like, oh, making them stay home so they can indoctrinate them? wtmusic Feb 2012 #236

"Indoctrinate" them is what parents are supposed to do Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #239

Government Service are All Chinese Menu, to Use Your Term, On the Road Feb 2012 #228

On average public school kids far exceed public school standards. wtmusic Feb 2012 #229

Luckily Enough, Homeschoolers are Supporting *You* On the Road Feb 2012 #234

You think athletics is the only thing kids miss out on when they're kept at home? wtmusic Feb 2012 #237

encourages the destruction of our Commons fascisthunter Feb 2012 #169

I don't think that is how it works Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #209

Then you don't understand it very well. wtmusic Feb 2012 #216

That just showed what I already said Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #218

You're digging yourself a hole. wtmusic Feb 2012 #222

So why are you wanting to take money away from Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #240

So In Your Mind On the Road Feb 2012 #226

I have no idea what you are trying to say fascisthunter Feb 2012 #238

Depends on the state Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #241

Yes. I Can't Believe Some of the Comments Supporting This Nonsense. n/t LarryNM Feb 2012 #182

Three reasons this bill is bad underpants Feb 2012 #242

oh bullshit. if the sports teams are good enough for Johnny, then the school should be too. Scout Feb 2012 #166

The Anti-Social Sentiment is Sick and is destroying our Commons fascisthunter Feb 2012 #167

Why progressives staunchly support compulsory.. Puzzledtraveller Feb 2012 #172

Compulsory Education is a necessity. kemah Feb 2012 #176

There will be a massive increase in sports injuries just1voice Feb 2012 #173

If Any Enrolled Student Is Denied Any Place LarryNM Feb 2012 #179

Public students are also denied Extra Curricular kemah Feb 2012 #205

I thought that extracurriculars were part of the decision in where to go to school Nikia Feb 2012 #181

Elections have consequences eringer Feb 2012 #184

Be careful what you ask for... brooklynite Feb 2012 #187

Good one. kemah Feb 2012 #200

This bill is going to have a nightmare of consequences, and none of them Blue_Tires Feb 2012 #212

It's probably good for the kids. hay rick Feb 2012 #220

I will not win any friends by saying this, but homeschooling should be abolished Taverner Feb 2012 #227

Will you be my friend? wtmusic Feb 2012 #231

But of course! Taverner Feb 2012 #233

Personally I have no problem with home schooling LostinRed Feb 2012 #245

They do realize that African-Americans will also be playing? Tom Ripley Feb 2012 #246

When we were in the US my african american neighbors were home schooling their own children.nt expatriate2mex Feb 2012 #251

So many blows against freedom in this thread...anti-choice much? Zax2me Feb 2012 #256

I agree with you. I consider myself to be an old time expatriate2mex Feb 2012 #258

Fuck that bullshit. n/t Hotler Feb 2012 #259

Very much against this concept Jimbo S Feb 2012 #260

Here Again Religious Loonies Want To Make All the Rules we can do it Feb 2012 #266

So can I send me son to one school, and yet have him play football at another?? JoePhilly Feb 2012 #275