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John2

(2,730 posts)
4. The people supporting
Thu May 16, 2013, 06:06 AM
May 2013

opposition is claiming atrocities by Government Forces and people supporting the Government is making claims against the opposition.

The allies supporting intervening is supporting the claims of the opposition and the allies supporting the Syrian government wants a political solution without preconditions.

The reports are the opposition is losing steam because they are out gunned by government forces. The only event will turn the tide is if they got a U.S. led force to intervene but Russia, China,Iran and North Korea oppose it. Notice I added in North Korea because they are an ally of Hezbullah and Iran which for some reason is left out of the Western Media.

As far as the claims about chemical use of weapons by Turkey and all the other allies of the opposition, it is not believable, whatever claims they manufacture. It is not believable or logical militarily. The reasons why is because Assad has very little motive to use them when the opposition is already outgunned and apparently losing. Another reason is ,the only victims seems to be a few civilians for the opposition making claims and no fighters as victims. Why would the Syrian Government need to use chemicals on a few unarmed civilians? Then there is the nature of chemical warfare and the arsenal Syria possesses. The use of chemicals cause not a few deaths or casualties but massive deaths. Why would Syria just drop a couple of cannisters from helicopters if they were going to use chemicals. See the War with Saddam Hussein or any other War involving chemicals. Not only that, both Syrian personnel and the opposition would require protective gear. Syria has enough chemicals to actually wipe the opposition out if they really wanted to.

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Sad what is happening there oberliner May 2013 #1
No more Curveballs! SCVDem May 2013 #2
Well, since I've -been- to Syria... brooklynite May 2013 #3
If you wish to be involved SCVDem May 2013 #5
But there has been an influx of foreign jihadis geek tragedy May 2013 #6
You take your allies where you can, these people are great canon fodder. Sand Wind May 2013 #8
It sounds like you support the involvement of jihadis in Syria. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #10
In time of despair, you can even lie down with dogs. Especially when nobody do anything. Sand Wind May 2013 #13
Much like Stalin supported the involvement of the US in the early 40s. LanternWaste May 2013 #17
Their role, by now, is way more than "cannon fodder" Democracyinkind May 2013 #51
I would be interested to hear more about the defection rate of the FSA. According to the pampango May 2013 #53
The people you met in during your visit eissa May 2013 #16
The opposition is not "an equally brutal Islamic fundamentalist". Some are, not all. pampango May 2013 #34
Yeah, I know there are Christians there eissa May 2013 #35
The people supporting John2 May 2013 #4
But, Sand Wind May 2013 #7
Assad appears to be gaining ground, and the rebels losing popular support. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #22
No he Is not, stop read the Pravda, RT and Press Tv, these are Fox versions Sand Wind May 2013 #27
"Six Ways Assad Has Turned the Tide in Syria" Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #32
Iraq is WORSE OFF, by every metric, since we invaded on the same pretext. NO WAR WITH SYRIA. grahamhgreen May 2013 #9
Now get McCain, Graham, Boehner, Ayotte et al SCVDem May 2013 #11
how is this worse than just blowing people up with bombs? And how is it a threat to us or Europe? yurbud May 2013 #12
You cannot be an empire when its please you, and then retracte from responsabilities Sand Wind May 2013 #14
I miss your point. SCVDem May 2013 #15
Not everything is about whether something is a threat to you muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #18
Is it right that Qatar and the Saudis arm the rebels? eissa May 2013 #21
Given the suspicions about their use of chemical weapons, no, it's not right muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #23
Miles are irrelvant eissa May 2013 #24
So you are OK with the US government getting involved, then? muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #25
I don't know how you came up with that eissa May 2013 #26
"why shouldn't the Russians? " muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #29
Until I see the same call for the Saudis and Qataris eissa May 2013 #31
so...we should be creative about thinking of reasons to kill far away people? yurbud May 2013 #37
If someone posts about nasty people the US govt arms, do you reply muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #39
Remember Gen. Wesley Clark's disclosure of neocon list of countries to overthrow? yurbud May 2013 #41
Which is nothing to do with your dismissal of this as "is this a threat to us?" muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #42
actually, "Is it a threat to us" is a good first filter to decide if a war is worth our resources yurbud May 2013 #43
yours is the "head in the sand" knee-jerk supports WAR and demands proof for why we SHOULDN'T do it yurbud May 2013 #44
I don't support war. I have not "demanded proof for why we shouldn't do it" muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #45
How often do you think we go into military actions for purely humanitarian reasons? yurbud May 2013 #46
Why are you wittering on about "going into military actions"? muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #47
so you want to post something and not discuss the implications? yurbud May 2013 #49
No, you were the one who didn't want to discuss it muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #50
This is not our Fight! Wolf Frankula May 2013 #19
Attacking civilians. Sounds more like the fundamentalist foreign rebels to me. socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #20
This is at least the third round of accusing the Syrian government of using chemicals/gas... rjones2818 May 2013 #28
As the video shows, they have good medical evidence of poisonous substances muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #30
War propaganda is supposed to be a fact as long as western allies make the claims socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #40
I am very wary of involvement in Syria. JDPriestly May 2013 #33
US has seen Syria chemical weapons evidence, says Obama dipsydoodle May 2013 #36
the only questions are the ones I asked above: so what, and why is it a threat to us? yurbud May 2013 #38
Eyewitness accounts might mean something in a court of law daleo May 2013 #48
organophosphosphate poisoning? so they dropped pesticide concentrates from the heles? Sunlei May 2013 #52
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