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Diclotican

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34. alfredo
Fri May 17, 2013, 03:41 PM
May 2013

alfredo

Indeed - Iranians have no love for Al-Qauda, Taliban or Saudi-Arabia for that matter - and if it had not been US who invaded Afghanistan in 2001, the iranians would have doing it - as they was seeking to punish the Taliban, for killing their diplomatic staffers in Kabul - the Taliban had no qualm about killing diplomatic staff, who was residing in Kabul - and who under international law, was protected against exactly this things... And have been that - since the Parthia-ns and Eastern Romans had made international agreements and treaties AD 500s or so.. And even the Islamic Caliphate, who both Al-Qauda and Taliban seek to return to the world - accepted the idea that diplomatic staff was protected against violence from the host country.. In this case Afghanistan - and the host of the country was pr then, the Taliban, who had the capital..

Paranoia was definitely a feature who had the old guard in Kremlin in their firm grasp - and it was not easy to even try to explain the issue if you had an opinion about it.. And if you wanted to get up in the Soviet power structure - you better keep your mouth shut - and work inside the system. And not challenge the status Que - even if it was clearly for everyone that a change had to start....

And I guess - the provocation from the US, who sometimes happened by accident - sometimes on purpose - was making the old guard in Kremlin really going off their rukors - and into a stage of paranoia and fear.. Remember, this was the guys who had grown up under Stalin - had been young when Stalin was in charge - and had survived long enough to sit on the top after a long and sometimes troublesome rise to power.. No one of them was not hurt by the past - and had no illusions about the future - other than the need to keep it tighter any means nessesary...

The irony of it all -is maybe the fact that the military - who loved Bush, finally the restraints from the Clinton eras where they had almost been "starving" in difference from what they had been doing before the Clinton era. The Clinton was no friends of the military - and wanted to do something with the system - and put the military on a strict diet for a while.. It helped Clinton get the money necessary for other means - even though it also meant that the military had to do without old budgets.. And had to change to a different world... But as you point out - the many wars decimated the army - not just in hardware but also in man power - many was maimed for the rest of their life - because the LEADERSHIP in Pentagon and The White House was not able, or willing to do the job they had - to make sure the soldiers had the best weapons and equipment at hand, when going to war.. And the coldness the Administration of Bush responded to the dear straits from the armed forces, was not making their some friends in the uniformed ranks either.. It is not the generals who make up the army - it is the NCO and mid grade officers who make up an army, without them, an army is just as weak as the weakest link.. It in the NCO and mid grade officers the know how about how to make an army function really is - and it is there some of the best officers are made - not just by going to West Point.. Even though going to West point really make an carrier in the military a good one..

Diclotican

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This look like a Reagan psy operation.nt. Sand Wind May 2013 #1
Reagans advisors didn't realize how seriously the Soviets were taking it. nt bananas May 2013 #3
Yeah, he about shit himself when we figured it out. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #12
More archival material comes out every couple of years Posteritatis May 2013 #38
Decades later, our congressmen and generals still think it's awesome Ash_F May 2013 #2
Yeah, but luckily, the risk of full-blown global nuclear war is minute today, compared to 1983-84. AverageJoe90 May 2013 #13
Dont be so sure: There was another incident in 1995 that could easily happen today as well. stevenleser May 2013 #18
Yes, I've heard of that, Steve. It doesn't really change the facts at all, though. AverageJoe90 May 2013 #19
It might be a fluke, but this only has to go the wrong way 1 time. That's whats so scary about it. stevenleser May 2013 #21
That much is very true, I think. n/t AverageJoe90 May 2013 #37
There's a good McNamara quote about that: Posteritatis May 2013 #39
Joe, there's been enough of these flukes to do decent statistical analysis. bananas May 2013 #23
Israel-Iran is the only one that could escalate to a world war, depending on yurbud May 2013 #33
And I doubt even that would escalate that far..... AverageJoe90 May 2013 #36
There's a factor of escalating regional war in MENA and the Gulf that increases the risks leveymg May 2013 #51
Yikes! Remember Fail Safe? gateley May 2013 #4
Watched it on the Military Channel last week, premium May 2013 #5
As a middle-schooler in the mid-80s, I remember being terrified that Raygun and Andropov...... marmar May 2013 #6
I was especially scared of Andropov. Pterodactyl May 2013 #40
Wonder how the world would look today... Ter May 2013 #7
I have read that the southern defacto7 May 2013 #8
Watch the original movie "On the Beach" unc70 May 2013 #17
All life on earth would likely be snuffed out by even a limited nuclear exchange Peace Patriot May 2013 #24
Impossibe Ter May 2013 #31
Reagan made his "bombing Russia" joke in 1984. alfredo May 2013 #9
He actually called it "the Evil Empire" Art_from_Ark May 2013 #11
alfredo Diclotican May 2013 #14
We had known the USSR was going to collapse for decades. I don't alfredo May 2013 #20
alfredo Diclotican May 2013 #25
Our intelligence agencies needed a threat to keep the funding flowing in. To react is an admission alfredo May 2013 #27
alfredo Diclotican May 2013 #29
Iran hated the Taliban and al Qaeda, in part because they were Sunni. Iran even helped alfredo May 2013 #32
alfredo Diclotican May 2013 #34
Our neo conservative movement was created by an old Trotskyite. They weren't anti alfredo May 2013 #35
alfredo Diclotican May 2013 #42
I think the neocons are aware of Irving Kristol's past. He was quite open about his alfredo May 2013 #43
alfredo Diclotican May 2013 #48
Old Bush &the Saudis conspired to overproduce oil and drive down the price of the Soviets' ... Kolesar May 2013 #22
Kolesar Diclotican May 2013 #26
A study revealed the 90% of the Air Force missile fleet would probably not work Kolesar May 2013 #50
A former launch officer told me the same thing in the early '80s. But, the remainder that would leveymg May 2013 #52
Pakistan just had an election Kolesar May 2013 #54
Kolesar Diclotican May 2013 #55
War Games - the movie - also came out that year..... suston96 May 2013 #10
That was an awesome movie! Pterodactyl May 2013 #41
Except for the inaccurate premise that NORAD has anything to do with launching nukes. NORAD 24601 May 2013 #44
My dad was stationed at SAC 75-80. That's when we had the looking glass planes there. i okaawhatever May 2013 #47
This is a good example of words having power. Too much bellicose rhetoric is a bad deal. Selatius May 2013 #15
Scary -- and almost certainly not the only incident of its type. MrModerate May 2013 #16
The really scary part: formercia May 2013 #28
formercia Diclotican May 2013 #30
Diclotican: Thank you for your insights in this thread. LongTomH May 2013 #46
LongTomH Diclotican May 2013 #49
Yeah, it's scary stuff detailed in the BBC's "Brink of Apocalypse". pa28 May 2013 #45
Thanks for that. Here's "Threads" a truly terrifying British version of "The Day After." leveymg May 2013 #53
leveymg Diclotican May 2013 #56
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