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yurbud

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41. Remember Gen. Wesley Clark's disclosure of neocon list of countries to overthrow?
Fri May 17, 2013, 02:55 PM
May 2013

Syria was on the list. And what is going on there is remarkably similar to how we destabilized the government of Afghanistan in the 80's, tried to do so in Nicaragua, and have recently done in Libya.

We are not going around starting humanitarian wars. We are looking after certain business and strategic interests that are intertwined, as is Russia, China, Iran, and any country big enough to have influence outside their own borders.

If you don't believe that, read Steven Kinzer of the New York Times' book OVERTHROW or John Perkins' CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HIT MAN and come back and try to say with a straight face we are doing any of this for altruistic reasons.

Russian geopolitical aims in the region are obvious: they don't want their Southern flank completely owned by the US and NATO, nor do they want their pipeline business to be taken over by the same.

Neither Russia or China would be wise to let us directly or indirectly control all the major oil reserve countries and pipeline routes in the region since that would give our oil companies the power to set the price at will and control our competitors access to oil.

In October, 2007, Gen. Wesley Clark gave a speech to the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco (seven-minute excerpt in the video below) in which he denounced what he called “a policy coup” engineered by neocons in the wake of 9/11. After recounting how a Pentagon source had told him weeks after 9/11 of the Pentagon’s plan to attack Iraq notwithstanding its non-involvement in 9/11, this is how Clark described the aspirations of the “coup” being plotted by Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and what he called “a half dozen other collaborators from the Project for the New American Century”:

Six weeks later, I saw the same officer, and asked: “Why haven’t we attacked Iraq? Are we still going to attack Iraq?”

He said: “Sir, it’s worse than that. He said – he pulled up a piece of paper off his desk – he said: “I just got this memo from the Secretary of Defense’s office. It says we’re going to attack and destroy the governments in 7 countries in five years – we’re going to start with Iraq, and then we’re going to move to Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran.”

Clark said the aim of this plot was this: “They wanted us to destabilize the Middle East, turn it upside down, make it under our control.” He then recounted a conversation he had had ten years earlier with Paul Wolfowitz — back in 1991 — in which the then-number-3-Pentagon-official, after criticizing Bush 41 for not toppling Saddam, told Clark: “But one thing we did learn [from the Persian Gulf War] is that we can use our military in the region – in the Middle East – and the Soviets won’t stop us. And we’ve got about 5 or 10 years to clean up those old Soviet regimes – Syria, Iran [sic], Iraq – before the next great superpower comes on to challenge us.” Clark said he was shocked by Wolfowitz’s desires because, as Clark put it: “the purpose of the military is to start wars and change governments? It’s not to deter conflicts?”

http://www.salon.com/2011/11/26/wes_clark_and_the_neocon_dream/

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Sad what is happening there oberliner May 2013 #1
No more Curveballs! SCVDem May 2013 #2
Well, since I've -been- to Syria... brooklynite May 2013 #3
If you wish to be involved SCVDem May 2013 #5
But there has been an influx of foreign jihadis geek tragedy May 2013 #6
You take your allies where you can, these people are great canon fodder. Sand Wind May 2013 #8
It sounds like you support the involvement of jihadis in Syria. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #10
In time of despair, you can even lie down with dogs. Especially when nobody do anything. Sand Wind May 2013 #13
Much like Stalin supported the involvement of the US in the early 40s. LanternWaste May 2013 #17
Their role, by now, is way more than "cannon fodder" Democracyinkind May 2013 #51
I would be interested to hear more about the defection rate of the FSA. According to the pampango May 2013 #53
The people you met in during your visit eissa May 2013 #16
The opposition is not "an equally brutal Islamic fundamentalist". Some are, not all. pampango May 2013 #34
Yeah, I know there are Christians there eissa May 2013 #35
The people supporting John2 May 2013 #4
But, Sand Wind May 2013 #7
Assad appears to be gaining ground, and the rebels losing popular support. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #22
No he Is not, stop read the Pravda, RT and Press Tv, these are Fox versions Sand Wind May 2013 #27
"Six Ways Assad Has Turned the Tide in Syria" Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #32
Iraq is WORSE OFF, by every metric, since we invaded on the same pretext. NO WAR WITH SYRIA. grahamhgreen May 2013 #9
Now get McCain, Graham, Boehner, Ayotte et al SCVDem May 2013 #11
how is this worse than just blowing people up with bombs? And how is it a threat to us or Europe? yurbud May 2013 #12
You cannot be an empire when its please you, and then retracte from responsabilities Sand Wind May 2013 #14
I miss your point. SCVDem May 2013 #15
Not everything is about whether something is a threat to you muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #18
Is it right that Qatar and the Saudis arm the rebels? eissa May 2013 #21
Given the suspicions about their use of chemical weapons, no, it's not right muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #23
Miles are irrelvant eissa May 2013 #24
So you are OK with the US government getting involved, then? muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #25
I don't know how you came up with that eissa May 2013 #26
"why shouldn't the Russians? " muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #29
Until I see the same call for the Saudis and Qataris eissa May 2013 #31
so...we should be creative about thinking of reasons to kill far away people? yurbud May 2013 #37
If someone posts about nasty people the US govt arms, do you reply muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #39
Remember Gen. Wesley Clark's disclosure of neocon list of countries to overthrow? yurbud May 2013 #41
Which is nothing to do with your dismissal of this as "is this a threat to us?" muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #42
actually, "Is it a threat to us" is a good first filter to decide if a war is worth our resources yurbud May 2013 #43
yours is the "head in the sand" knee-jerk supports WAR and demands proof for why we SHOULDN'T do it yurbud May 2013 #44
I don't support war. I have not "demanded proof for why we shouldn't do it" muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #45
How often do you think we go into military actions for purely humanitarian reasons? yurbud May 2013 #46
Why are you wittering on about "going into military actions"? muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #47
so you want to post something and not discuss the implications? yurbud May 2013 #49
No, you were the one who didn't want to discuss it muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #50
This is not our Fight! Wolf Frankula May 2013 #19
Attacking civilians. Sounds more like the fundamentalist foreign rebels to me. socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #20
This is at least the third round of accusing the Syrian government of using chemicals/gas... rjones2818 May 2013 #28
As the video shows, they have good medical evidence of poisonous substances muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #30
War propaganda is supposed to be a fact as long as western allies make the claims socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #40
I am very wary of involvement in Syria. JDPriestly May 2013 #33
US has seen Syria chemical weapons evidence, says Obama dipsydoodle May 2013 #36
the only questions are the ones I asked above: so what, and why is it a threat to us? yurbud May 2013 #38
Eyewitness accounts might mean something in a court of law daleo May 2013 #48
organophosphosphate poisoning? so they dropped pesticide concentrates from the heles? Sunlei May 2013 #52
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