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Diclotican

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42. alfredo
Fri May 17, 2013, 07:08 PM
May 2013

alfredo

Indeed -a old Trots kite, that would turn someones head to blow up - if they had known, that a old communist was behind the neo-conservative ideology - and I know about the issue between Trotsky, and Stalin.. In the end it was Stalin that won - as Trotsky was discovered with an ice pick in his head... He was in fact living in Norway for a while in 1939-1940, but was traveling to Mexico where he was killed by NKVD on order from Stalin itself.. He and Trotsky had a fallout many years before - where Trotsky who had been on the front with Lenin - Stalin on the other hand, had not that privilege - for the most part - before and under the revolution he had been just one of many minor "officials" who also have had a checkered past with the old regime.. Stalin had been arrested for bank thefts more than once to financed the revolutionary movement - and even when he was on his highest power - in 1936, and was wisting his old mother - she have been known to have stated - that she would have been more proud about him, if he had been a priest in the Orthodox Church - rather than the supreme leader of the Soviet Union... She was not to impressed about the whole affair..

It is somewhat of a irony if the neo-conservative movement for the most part is the result of a trotsky movement against Stalin, in the 1930s and 1940s - I guess a old man I know - who is a hard line Republican - and have more than once public speaking about the greatness of neo-conservative - and have even tried his best to tell me how great the neo-conservative movement really are - would have exploded if he had known - that the neo-conservative movement was indeed the product of old troskites who survived the purge in Soviet - or was able to leave for better places..

I wonder why the media are not put William kristol in the spot - and ask why his old father - was making up a movement of neo-conservatism - when he himself was as a old Trotsky supporter - and never denounced his belief in Socialism himself.. I guess William would have exploded in more than one way if that had been known for a larger audience.. Not to say many of the conservatives who have followed the neo-conservative path - would have turned its back on the whole movement...

After the cold war ended - it might not be the same use of a million strong army - and the cuts Clinton really managed to do - did a lot to freeze up a lot of money that could be used elsewhere - but many have blamed Clinton because he cut to deep - and cut on the wrong parts... And he got most of the blame - many conservatives have blamed Clinton for most things happening - even after he was not longer in Power to be honest.. And they have used terms to express their hatred for Clinton that is at best insulting - at worst something that should have put them in a prison...

Experienced teachers is important - that be in civilian use - or in a military capacity - and NCO and training officers is important to the well-being on all type of military service.. At least, that is what I have been tough..

Diclotican

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This look like a Reagan psy operation.nt. Sand Wind May 2013 #1
Reagans advisors didn't realize how seriously the Soviets were taking it. nt bananas May 2013 #3
Yeah, he about shit himself when we figured it out. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #12
More archival material comes out every couple of years Posteritatis May 2013 #38
Decades later, our congressmen and generals still think it's awesome Ash_F May 2013 #2
Yeah, but luckily, the risk of full-blown global nuclear war is minute today, compared to 1983-84. AverageJoe90 May 2013 #13
Dont be so sure: There was another incident in 1995 that could easily happen today as well. stevenleser May 2013 #18
Yes, I've heard of that, Steve. It doesn't really change the facts at all, though. AverageJoe90 May 2013 #19
It might be a fluke, but this only has to go the wrong way 1 time. That's whats so scary about it. stevenleser May 2013 #21
That much is very true, I think. n/t AverageJoe90 May 2013 #37
There's a good McNamara quote about that: Posteritatis May 2013 #39
Joe, there's been enough of these flukes to do decent statistical analysis. bananas May 2013 #23
Israel-Iran is the only one that could escalate to a world war, depending on yurbud May 2013 #33
And I doubt even that would escalate that far..... AverageJoe90 May 2013 #36
There's a factor of escalating regional war in MENA and the Gulf that increases the risks leveymg May 2013 #51
Yikes! Remember Fail Safe? gateley May 2013 #4
Watched it on the Military Channel last week, premium May 2013 #5
As a middle-schooler in the mid-80s, I remember being terrified that Raygun and Andropov...... marmar May 2013 #6
I was especially scared of Andropov. Pterodactyl May 2013 #40
Wonder how the world would look today... Ter May 2013 #7
I have read that the southern defacto7 May 2013 #8
Watch the original movie "On the Beach" unc70 May 2013 #17
All life on earth would likely be snuffed out by even a limited nuclear exchange Peace Patriot May 2013 #24
Impossibe Ter May 2013 #31
Reagan made his "bombing Russia" joke in 1984. alfredo May 2013 #9
He actually called it "the Evil Empire" Art_from_Ark May 2013 #11
alfredo Diclotican May 2013 #14
We had known the USSR was going to collapse for decades. I don't alfredo May 2013 #20
alfredo Diclotican May 2013 #25
Our intelligence agencies needed a threat to keep the funding flowing in. To react is an admission alfredo May 2013 #27
alfredo Diclotican May 2013 #29
Iran hated the Taliban and al Qaeda, in part because they were Sunni. Iran even helped alfredo May 2013 #32
alfredo Diclotican May 2013 #34
Our neo conservative movement was created by an old Trotskyite. They weren't anti alfredo May 2013 #35
alfredo Diclotican May 2013 #42
I think the neocons are aware of Irving Kristol's past. He was quite open about his alfredo May 2013 #43
alfredo Diclotican May 2013 #48
Old Bush &the Saudis conspired to overproduce oil and drive down the price of the Soviets' ... Kolesar May 2013 #22
Kolesar Diclotican May 2013 #26
A study revealed the 90% of the Air Force missile fleet would probably not work Kolesar May 2013 #50
A former launch officer told me the same thing in the early '80s. But, the remainder that would leveymg May 2013 #52
Pakistan just had an election Kolesar May 2013 #54
Kolesar Diclotican May 2013 #55
War Games - the movie - also came out that year..... suston96 May 2013 #10
That was an awesome movie! Pterodactyl May 2013 #41
Except for the inaccurate premise that NORAD has anything to do with launching nukes. NORAD 24601 May 2013 #44
My dad was stationed at SAC 75-80. That's when we had the looking glass planes there. i okaawhatever May 2013 #47
This is a good example of words having power. Too much bellicose rhetoric is a bad deal. Selatius May 2013 #15
Scary -- and almost certainly not the only incident of its type. MrModerate May 2013 #16
The really scary part: formercia May 2013 #28
formercia Diclotican May 2013 #30
Diclotican: Thank you for your insights in this thread. LongTomH May 2013 #46
LongTomH Diclotican May 2013 #49
Yeah, it's scary stuff detailed in the BBC's "Brink of Apocalypse". pa28 May 2013 #45
Thanks for that. Here's "Threads" a truly terrifying British version of "The Day After." leveymg May 2013 #53
leveymg Diclotican May 2013 #56
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