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In reply to the discussion: Obama: ‘No Apologies’ For Investigating Leaks Of Classified Information [View all]DirkGently
(12,151 posts)108. Suspicion of criminal activity does not trump the First Amendment
You imply there is an absolute right for law enforcement to spy on journalists wherever a supposed leak has occurred. That is not the law, and it is contrary to every decent democratic principal.
Would you make the same argument if Bush was in office?
This is a rightwing argument you're making. In the America you describe, we'd still be fighting the Vietnam War and celebrating Nixon's successful second term.
We're supposed to be the ones who can make qualitative distinctions on important issues.
The widespread collection of information, as well as the apparent delay in notifying AP, both appear to be yet another violation the government's own regulations, 28 C.F.R. sec. 50.10. In 2010, the DOJ Inspector General reported on three other violations, involving the Washington Post and New York Times. The regulations require that, "wherever possible" subpoenas of records of the news media should be "directed at material information regarding a limited subject matter, should cover a reasonably limited period of time and should avoid requiring production of a large volume of unpublished material."
None of those limits appear to have been observed here. It seems impossible to imagine how a subpoena for all the records of call to and from AP's main switchboard, for example, is as narrowly tailored as the law required. Importantly, the regulations anticipate negotiation with the news media prior to subpoena, which also didn't occur. And in any event the regulations require notification to the news media within 45 days of any receipt of any information, with another 45 days possible with additional authorization. Since the timeframe of the records is a year ago, it seems likely that the government did not abide by this regulation either. While the regulations do not allow a lawsuit, violations of them can be grounds for discipline for governmental officials.
None of those limits appear to have been observed here. It seems impossible to imagine how a subpoena for all the records of call to and from AP's main switchboard, for example, is as narrowly tailored as the law required. Importantly, the regulations anticipate negotiation with the news media prior to subpoena, which also didn't occur. And in any event the regulations require notification to the news media within 45 days of any receipt of any information, with another 45 days possible with additional authorization. Since the timeframe of the records is a year ago, it seems likely that the government did not abide by this regulation either. While the regulations do not allow a lawsuit, violations of them can be grounds for discipline for governmental officials.
https://www.eff.org/es/deeplinks/2013/05/doj-subpoena-ap-journalists-shows-need-protect-calling-records
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Obama: ‘No Apologies’ For Investigating Leaks Of Classified Information [View all]
DonViejo
May 2013
OP
Mr Hope & Change doubles down on unconstitutional infringements of basic rights
99th_Monkey
May 2013
#2
Ok, I'll bite. What was the unconstitutional infringement that was committed?
cstanleytech
May 2013
#5
Freedom of the Press is not infringed by looking at phone records to find a classified info leaker.
phleshdef
May 2013
#9
These conversations aren't one way and besides, it's a really dumb leaker who gives information
tavalon
May 2013
#12
K&R a million! Thank you for speaking for me! & especially that about "the NDAA" . . . that's been
patrice
May 2013
#52
Dude...you proved my point. The first sentence of (d) gives discretion to the AAG.
msanthrope
May 2013
#101
Well, now you know why Senator Obama supported a press shield law. But I fail to
msanthrope
May 2013
#105
Freedom of the press doesn't extend to cover criminal activity. Grand juries can
msanthrope
May 2013
#107
which put lives in dangers , national security all blanket statements that attempt to coerce people
leftyohiolib
May 2013
#31
I am aware of Smith in which the Supreme Court held that pen registers could be subpoenaed.
JDPriestly
May 2013
#66
Yes, a nice quote of the first amendment now how was a legally obtained wiretap an infringment
cstanleytech
May 2013
#27
Sorry but I rather form my own opinions rather than base it on someone elses.
cstanleytech
May 2013
#35
All true except that Chris Hedges represents ONE perspective, not THE perspective, just
patrice
May 2013
#49
Not win nationa security is compromised. There are limitations to the First Amendment.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#39
Extinguish the free press because it's in the best interest of national security?
midnight
May 2013
#69
Are you nuts? The identities of intelligence officers in the field is "over classification"?
phleshdef
May 2013
#75
If you haven't read extensively on it, you really have no business commenting on it.
phleshdef
May 2013
#94
Obama reminds me a lot of Wilson. Another "progressive" who expanded state power and secrecy
leveymg
May 2013
#14
I agree. No president is perfect. Not even FDR and not LBJ. All presidents do things that
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#64
Which one of the Republican chickenhawks leaked and compromised America's safety?
Berlum
May 2013
#15
well I do recall Chaniee, KarlRove, Libby leaked Valerie Plame's CIA connection & only lowly Scooter
wordpix
May 2013
#73
For those of you who keep saying that he's a pushover and won't stand up, this article does no
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#18
I'm sorry, but his level of agitation doesn't change the fact that he just tore up
tavalon
May 2013
#25
She didnt go to jail for publishing the story though but rather for contempt of court.
cstanleytech
May 2013
#76
WRONG!! The First Amendment has limitations. The president is right.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#88
What did the Justice Department do exactly? He needs to defend them. They did nothing wrong.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2013
#36
Pity he doesn't feel the same about War Criminals and certain Bankers. nt
broadcaster75201
May 2013
#32
Remind me who was it that explicitly stated the will be no prosecution of anyone involved in torture
idwiyo
May 2013
#86
This frightens some folks, here. But look at what a govt does. It provides structure to enable
toby jo
May 2013
#62
I"m sorry if you view this as being an Obama hater BUT this seriously makes me worry
diabeticman
May 2013
#77
Also no apologies for NDAA, NDRP, HR347, drones, FISA, Patriot Act extension, Bush Tax Cut
Fire Walk With Me
May 2013
#89