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muriel_volestrangler

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1. Extending civil partnerships: will it really cost £4bn?
Mon May 20, 2013, 06:58 AM
May 2013
So if there is expected to be little demand for civil partnerships from straight couples why would the costs be that high? It's a good question especially given that one of the main reasons why gay rights campaigners want access to marriage is because it offers more generous pension entitlements.

To quote from a gaystar news article by sometime Guardian contributor Ray Filar:

Civil partners do not have the same pension rights as married couples. If one civil partner dies, the pension share that the surviving partner receives is often lower and lasts for less time than with married couples.

The reason for this is the pension a surviving partner is entitled to is measured differently depending on whether they have been civil partnered or married.

For civil partners, public sector schemes are dated back to 1988. For private sector schemes, it need only be backdated to the Civil Partnership Act 2004.

But for married couples, a surviving partner is entitled to a pension based on the number of years their spouse paid into the pension fund.


Now there is a real quandary. Why would extending a less generous pension scheme create a larger liability for the government?

We're going to try and figure this out in the next few hours (and I'd stress try because we don't have our own actuarial advisers to hand). But please do leave any helpful leads below.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/reality-check/2013/may/20/civil-partnerships-pensions-how-much-will-it-cost


The explanation:



The only way I can see this cost coming is by assuming that there are heterosexual couples who hate the concept of 'marriage', but are OK (or like) the concept of 'civil partnership', and so have been holding back from getting married, even though it would benefit them, but would enter a civil partnership instead. I think the number of people who feel like that must be tiny (there are a few who have said they won't get married until same sex couple are allowed to, and have symbolically applied for a civil partnership as a protest, but that's different - and, again, I think it's a small number, and the government would have to show a proper survey to determine how many there are. And I think that, once same sex marriages are allowed, they'd go for marriage too).

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Extending civil partnerships: will it really cost £4bn? muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #1
I wasn't aware of the differentiation between state and private pensions. dipsydoodle May 2013 #3
That's an Irish site muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #4
I'd failed to notice that dipsydoodle May 2013 #7
Rather buried in all that is that the Labour front bench will support the Loughton amendment muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #2
Update: Labour front bench not to support Loughton, but table amendment for 'review' muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #5
My message to Labour Party: my vote in exchange for your vote for Equal Rights without any idwiyo May 2013 #6
That's the paradox dipsydoodle May 2013 #8
Easiest way to fix it is to have Civil Partnership as THE ONLY binding contract. idwiyo May 2013 #9
No, that would sink the entire concept muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #19
"Marriage" would be a civil partnership, recognised by the state as the only binding contract. idwiyo May 2013 #22
So what you seem to be saying is the only option should be 'marriage' muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #23
What I am saying is that religion should be taken out of legal binding contracts. Nothing to do with idwiyo May 2013 #25
It's not about whether there are differences - you're saying there should only be one version muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #27
Amazing to watch folks suddenly care about 'complete equality without qualifiers' Bluenorthwest May 2013 #11
They will tie themselves in fucking knots to avoid the actual issue. Can't risk offending idwiyo May 2013 #16
I'm lost. Grins May 2013 #10
Me too. And I read the entire article. Nye Bevan May 2013 #12
I don't know what would happen dipsydoodle May 2013 #14
Instead of voting for full equality UK government created a separate type of legal partnership for idwiyo May 2013 #13
There's a bit of jockeying for position muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #15
Sounds like Labour were close to allowing marriage equality to be sabotaged Nye Bevan May 2013 #17
I don't know why they had taken their earlier position muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #20
That's a bit ridiculous. Nye Bevan May 2013 #21
I hope they get it right. hrmjustin May 2013 #18
So far, amendments are proceeding OK muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #24
For our American viewers dlwickham May 2013 #26
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