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muriel_volestrangler

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4. That's an Irish site
Mon May 20, 2013, 07:27 AM
May 2013

The press briefing was a model of obfuscation, apparently:

Sometimes the prime minister's spokesman uses the lobby briefing to deliver a clear, newsy message to journalists. And sometimes he uses the briefing to block questions, shut down lines of inquiry and avoid conceding anything embarrassing. Today we were firmly in the second camp. I'm not particularly complaining - press officers are expected to do this - but it did make the whole encounter rather frustrating.

Here are the main points.

• David Cameron will be voting against the Tim Loughton amendment, the prime minister's spokesman said. But the spokesman refused to rule out using the amendment, if it gets passed, as an excuse for dropping the bill, and he refused an invitation to say that the government was willing to use the Parliament Act to get the legislation through the House of Lords. The spokesman kept stressing that the amendment would introduce "complexities" and that he did not want to speculate on the outcome of an vote that has not yet taken place. Nothing he said suggested that there is a strong likelihood that the bill will be dropped, but equally the possibility was left open. Separately the BBC's Norman Smith says that he's been told that passing the amendment would lead to the gay marriage legislation being delayed until after 2015.

Ministers have said that allowing heterosexual couples to obtain civil partnerships, as the Loughton amendment proposes, would increase the cost because of greater pension liabilities to the state. But they have also said that very few heterosexual couples actually want civil partnerships. At the briefing the spokesman was unable to reconcile these two apparently contradictory arguments.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2013/may/20/mps-debate-gay-marriage-live#block-519a09f4e4b0c8e5709f39ab

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Extending civil partnerships: will it really cost £4bn? muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #1
I wasn't aware of the differentiation between state and private pensions. dipsydoodle May 2013 #3
That's an Irish site muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #4
I'd failed to notice that dipsydoodle May 2013 #7
Rather buried in all that is that the Labour front bench will support the Loughton amendment muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #2
Update: Labour front bench not to support Loughton, but table amendment for 'review' muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #5
My message to Labour Party: my vote in exchange for your vote for Equal Rights without any idwiyo May 2013 #6
That's the paradox dipsydoodle May 2013 #8
Easiest way to fix it is to have Civil Partnership as THE ONLY binding contract. idwiyo May 2013 #9
No, that would sink the entire concept muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #19
"Marriage" would be a civil partnership, recognised by the state as the only binding contract. idwiyo May 2013 #22
So what you seem to be saying is the only option should be 'marriage' muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #23
What I am saying is that religion should be taken out of legal binding contracts. Nothing to do with idwiyo May 2013 #25
It's not about whether there are differences - you're saying there should only be one version muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #27
Amazing to watch folks suddenly care about 'complete equality without qualifiers' Bluenorthwest May 2013 #11
They will tie themselves in fucking knots to avoid the actual issue. Can't risk offending idwiyo May 2013 #16
I'm lost. Grins May 2013 #10
Me too. And I read the entire article. Nye Bevan May 2013 #12
I don't know what would happen dipsydoodle May 2013 #14
Instead of voting for full equality UK government created a separate type of legal partnership for idwiyo May 2013 #13
There's a bit of jockeying for position muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #15
Sounds like Labour were close to allowing marriage equality to be sabotaged Nye Bevan May 2013 #17
I don't know why they had taken their earlier position muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #20
That's a bit ridiculous. Nye Bevan May 2013 #21
I hope they get it right. hrmjustin May 2013 #18
So far, amendments are proceeding OK muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #24
For our American viewers dlwickham May 2013 #26
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