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In reply to the discussion: Gay marriage: Downing Street pleads with Labour to save bill [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(105,866 posts)4. That's an Irish site
The press briefing was a model of obfuscation, apparently:
Sometimes the prime minister's spokesman uses the lobby briefing to deliver a clear, newsy message to journalists. And sometimes he uses the briefing to block questions, shut down lines of inquiry and avoid conceding anything embarrassing. Today we were firmly in the second camp. I'm not particularly complaining - press officers are expected to do this - but it did make the whole encounter rather frustrating.
Here are the main points.
David Cameron will be voting against the Tim Loughton amendment, the prime minister's spokesman said. But the spokesman refused to rule out using the amendment, if it gets passed, as an excuse for dropping the bill, and he refused an invitation to say that the government was willing to use the Parliament Act to get the legislation through the House of Lords. The spokesman kept stressing that the amendment would introduce "complexities" and that he did not want to speculate on the outcome of an vote that has not yet taken place. Nothing he said suggested that there is a strong likelihood that the bill will be dropped, but equally the possibility was left open. Separately the BBC's Norman Smith says that he's been told that passing the amendment would lead to the gay marriage legislation being delayed until after 2015.
Ministers have said that allowing heterosexual couples to obtain civil partnerships, as the Loughton amendment proposes, would increase the cost because of greater pension liabilities to the state. But they have also said that very few heterosexual couples actually want civil partnerships. At the briefing the spokesman was unable to reconcile these two apparently contradictory arguments.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2013/may/20/mps-debate-gay-marriage-live#block-519a09f4e4b0c8e5709f39ab
Here are the main points.
David Cameron will be voting against the Tim Loughton amendment, the prime minister's spokesman said. But the spokesman refused to rule out using the amendment, if it gets passed, as an excuse for dropping the bill, and he refused an invitation to say that the government was willing to use the Parliament Act to get the legislation through the House of Lords. The spokesman kept stressing that the amendment would introduce "complexities" and that he did not want to speculate on the outcome of an vote that has not yet taken place. Nothing he said suggested that there is a strong likelihood that the bill will be dropped, but equally the possibility was left open. Separately the BBC's Norman Smith says that he's been told that passing the amendment would lead to the gay marriage legislation being delayed until after 2015.
Ministers have said that allowing heterosexual couples to obtain civil partnerships, as the Loughton amendment proposes, would increase the cost because of greater pension liabilities to the state. But they have also said that very few heterosexual couples actually want civil partnerships. At the briefing the spokesman was unable to reconcile these two apparently contradictory arguments.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2013/may/20/mps-debate-gay-marriage-live#block-519a09f4e4b0c8e5709f39ab
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Rather buried in all that is that the Labour front bench will support the Loughton amendment
muriel_volestrangler
May 2013
#2
Update: Labour front bench not to support Loughton, but table amendment for 'review'
muriel_volestrangler
May 2013
#5
My message to Labour Party: my vote in exchange for your vote for Equal Rights without any
idwiyo
May 2013
#6
"Marriage" would be a civil partnership, recognised by the state as the only binding contract.
idwiyo
May 2013
#22
So what you seem to be saying is the only option should be 'marriage'
muriel_volestrangler
May 2013
#23
What I am saying is that religion should be taken out of legal binding contracts. Nothing to do with
idwiyo
May 2013
#25
It's not about whether there are differences - you're saying there should only be one version
muriel_volestrangler
May 2013
#27
Amazing to watch folks suddenly care about 'complete equality without qualifiers'
Bluenorthwest
May 2013
#11
They will tie themselves in fucking knots to avoid the actual issue. Can't risk offending
idwiyo
May 2013
#16
