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MADem

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112. Judith Miller quit NYT in 2005. It has been that long.

Wed May 22, 2013, 02:49 PM

May 2013

People who find themselves forever stuck in paradigms, playing out old roles, are more "authoritarian" than the people they accuse of being authoritarian.

Times change. Life goes on. That buggy whip isn't needed anymore, we've got horseless carriages now.

It is, indeed, bewildering to those who want their world painted in immutable shades of black and white--
the "authorities" are bad and evil, and they are locked into that role forever and ever and always... and of course there MUST be a "secret" explanation that only "I" know--and the rest of the "sheeple" have no clue about. Because, yeah...disinformation! Conspiracies! Fight the power!

It's a bit hackneyed and formulaic, if you ask me--you've done nothing but sneer and point--you have no proof of anything save a paranoid mind, and you don't even offer a single citation that suggests that your POV is even remotely valid.

It's blather, nothing more. It's what contrarian children do. It's not convincing.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

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He was silenced! Scandal! Scandal! SCVDem May 2013 #2

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Thats interesting. dipsydoodle May 2013 #57

You are quite welcome! dorkzilla May 2013 #64

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That is simply not true at all. premium May 2013 #10

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The difference is that we were not trained to shoot until the perp is no longer premium May 2013 #26

Couldn't they use a taser? Eddie Haskell May 2013 #58

Supposedly he had a knife, premium May 2013 #60

There were two police officers with him. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #94

That's a fair observation, premium May 2013 #96

Shooting to kill often ensures that only one side of the story survives. merrily May 2013 #14

While that may be true, premium May 2013 #16

? I assume that anyone in law enforcement is trained to shoot to kill, as well as, when appropriate, merrily May 2013 #21

It's only in the movies that the cops are such great shots, shooting the gun out of the MADem May 2013 #31

That is a very different issue from whethor or not people are trained to shoot to kill. merrily May 2013 #34

Shoot for the part you can hope to hit. MADem May 2013 #37

Also a very different issue from whether law enforcement is trained to shoot to kill. merrily May 2013 #40

Of course. MADem May 2013 #51

How many times do I have to say this, premium May 2013 #39

Given the example that i gave, your reply seems like semantics. merrily May 2013 #42

No, the example you gave still applies, premium May 2013 #43

So what are you aiming at when your shooting to neutralize. bahrbearian May 2013 #46

Center mass, premium May 2013 #47

Hey paul. alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #81

Paul? premium May 2013 #83

Oh alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #86

No problem. premium May 2013 #88

Hoover did like a tidy narrative formercia May 2013 #17

The government is clearing up loose ends! - Alex Jones Beck Savage III Dash87 May 2013 #8

Always did, Always will ConcernedCanuk May 2013 #95

Since he was a friend of the older brother, I wonder if he Laurian May 2013 #11

He was signing a confession to that effect when he decided to go a different way. MADem May 2013 #38

Wow, I hadn't heard about a confession. Laurian May 2013 #41

It's in the linked article at the OP. MADem May 2013 #49

uhhh ... Myrina May 2013 #12

If you were in FBI custody, unarmed, being questioned by agents were were armed, merrily May 2013 #15

The wrong question? n/t formercia May 2013 #19

For me, it would take a lot more than that. merrily May 2013 #32

According to the OP article, he had a knife. LisaL May 2013 #25

Very interesting. merrily May 2013 #27

They probably didn't search him before an interview since technically he wasn't under arrest. LisaL May 2013 #29

No doubt. merrily May 2013 #30

He was not even "in custody." He was being interviewed at his Orlando condo. MADem May 2013 #59

Well, he was being questioned, and he was about to sign a confession that included MADem May 2013 #35

And we know that how? merrily May 2013 #36

What does Reply 14 say? MADem May 2013 #50

So much for the "the Tsarnaevs killed three drug dealers" bluff temmer May 2013 #18

Who do you think carried out the Boston bombing? nt geek tragedy May 2013 #20

What in the world are you talking about? LisaL May 2013 #24

just look here temmer May 2013 #48

Apparently, per the NYT, this guy said the older brother WAS involved....so there's that. MADem May 2013 #61

Quote, please? nT temmer May 2013 #63

Here are a few quotes from a couple of sources: MADem May 2013 #72

Thanks for the welcome - but temmer May 2013 #75

If you click on the links I provided, and read the excerpts contained therein, you will find what MADem May 2013 #77

So I am dumb or what??? temmer May 2013 #85

Good grief--you're not trying to "up" your post count, are you? MADem May 2013 #107

"per the NYT, this guy said the older brother WAS involved" temmer May 2013 #114

Yes, because the NYT sent their Very Best Ghost Reporter to troll for a comment from a dead guy. MADem May 2013 #115

This guy said he was "involved" in the murders--not that he was the ONLY one "involved." MADem May 2013 #53

He said what? Was he read his rights? Eddie Haskell May 2013 #65

Unless you are in custody, premium May 2013 #68

If he wasn't in custody, why couldn't he leave? Eddie Haskell May 2013 #97

If he's not in custody, then he can freely leave, premium May 2013 #99

The interview took place in the guy's house--where I'm sure he had knives a plenty. nt MADem May 2013 #109

Why would he "get up to leave" his own damn house? nt MADem May 2013 #108

I suggest you read the links provided before you babble on about hearsay. MADem May 2013 #73

No signed confession ... But he was going to sign it. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #92

If I had to guess, I'd say he was trying to lull them into complacency and intended to MADem May 2013 #101

Yeah. Look at the rock solid reporting by Judith Miller. GoneFishin May 2013 #98

That was only...when...? In the middle of the Bush Administration? MADem May 2013 #100

Well, has it been that long? I guess politics must have evolved beyond disinformation by now. GoneFishin May 2013 #110

Judith Miller quit NYT in 2005. It has been that long. MADem May 2013 #112

Wonder what's really going on here, Funny, I just posted a comment about Sibel Edmonds memoir re FBI kelliekat44 May 2013 #23

We have tranquilizers that will knock down a Grizzly in seconds. ConcernedCanuk May 2013 #33

Tranquilizers that are shot from helicopters, not inside geek tragedy May 2013 #44

And the guy in the covered boat (unarmed) was found from where exactly? ConcernedCanuk May 2013 #90

What does that have to do with this guy? geek tragedy May 2013 #91

Attitude ConcernedCanuk May 2013 #102

And many in America think "Trailer Park Boys" is an accurate depiction of Canadian culture... cigsandcoffee May 2013 #104

Sorry, your line of commentary geek tragedy May 2013 #105

I think it's deliberate. MADem May 2013 #117

Because Grizzlies... clarice May 2013 #52

Yeah, still waiting. Now the news says they're not sure if it was even an FBI agent. GoneFishin May 2013 #45

Pick one--an FBI agent and two MA state troopers. MADem May 2013 #54

POSSIBLY RELATED? Police: Former Watertown councilor Gus Bailey busted with $2M in marijuana temmer May 2013 #55

A guy growing weed in Watertown isn't necessarily related to a guy selling weed in Waltham. MADem May 2013 #67

I didn't say necessarily temmer May 2013 #71

Since I am not either the FBI agent nor one of the two troopers at the incident, I can't tell you. MADem May 2013 #76

Bailey did live in Waltham, not in Watertown. Relation confirmed/nT temmer May 2013 #89

Where are you from? Not the Bay State, I take it. MADem May 2013 #103

"A guy growing weed in Watertown isn't necessarily related to a guy selling weed in Waltham." temmer May 2013 #113

It doesn't matter where he grew the weed. The two towns are very close together, MADem May 2013 #116

Yeah I bet it happened just like the FBI said it did: NOT! gopiscrap May 2013 #66

Yeah sure...and the FBI agent, who was wounded by the deceased, managed to con two MADem May 2013 #69

Yeah. Absolutely impossible because no GoneFishin May 2013 #74

Who said that? Gee, YOU did. MADem May 2013 #78

The evidence seems to back up the FBI agent's story. nt. premium May 2013 #70

I think it's a fool's errand, some conversations. MADem May 2013 #79

Maybe those twenty-somethings just haven't been conditioned to accept what they're told to believe. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #84

Contrarianism is a mark of immaturity. It's part of the growing process. MADem May 2013 #106

And ... Conformity is a trait of a weak mind. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #119

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Thank you Eddie gopiscrap May 2013 #82

Thanks Eddie. GoneFishin May 2013 #87

No sh*t! ConcernedCanuk May 2013 #93

And people have to realize that speculation on the internet by people making stuff up and truth are MADem May 2013 #111

I'm not speculating. Eddie Haskell May 2013 #120

Speculation, suggestion...you're guessing. And you're taking the position of assuming the MADem May 2013 #122

who's speculating here? temmer May 2013 #126

My speculation is based on fact--like the fact that the guy was MADem May 2013 #128

Kick n/t Tx4obama May 2013 #118

More. proverbialwisdom May 2013 #121

Wow...Occam's razor rules! MADem May 2013 #124

I hope he wasn't hungry and wanted some butter on his bread. /nt jakeXT May 2013 #127

Well, a butter knife wouldn't cause any injury to another person, now, would it? MADem May 2013 #129

He said they are making crazy stuff up /nt jakeXT May 2013 #130

I shouldn't think eating buttered bread would be a priority at an interview with two MADem May 2013 #131

Why should he get arrested ? Because of the parking lot incident and bail? /nt jakeXT May 2013 #132

His wife said he was in Massachusetts at the time of the murder. MADem May 2013 #134

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Some comments from the Huffpost comment section temmer May 2013 #133

You do know that some time ago, AOL --the very rightwing AOL--bought Huffpo and rebranded it MADem May 2013 #135

UPDATE: Moments leading to fatal FBI shooting in Orlando still unclear temmer May 2013 #136