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In reply to the discussion: In a First, U.S. Acknowledges Drones Killing 4 Americans [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)54. You're free to stick your head in the sand
and pretend there's no factual basis for AAA's participation in terrorist attacks.
But, the rest of us tend to take notice of the world around us, and do not insist that every fact from the existence of Al Qaeda to the shape of the earth be proven in a jury trial first.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/02/28/uk.terror.verdict/index.html
A key part of the prosecution case was a series of heavily encrypted messages between al-Awlaki and Karim, in which al-Awlaki pressed for information about Karim's job and his knowledge of airport security.
"I pray that Allah may grant us a breakthrough through you ... can you please specify your role in the airline industry, how much access do you have to airports, what information do you have on the limitations and cracks in present airport security systems?"
Karim replied: "The kuffar (a derogatory term for non-Muslims) are planning to install full body scanners across UK airports. This allows them to see things under clothes."
But he warned al-Awlaki to be realistic: "You are probably hoping that I work at the airport, but the fact is I don't. I personally know two brothers, one who works in baggage handling at Heathrow and another who works in airport security. Both are good practising brothers and sympathize towards the cause of the mujahedeen."
Replying, al-Awlaki got straight to the point:
"Our highest priority is the U.S. Anything there, even on a smaller scale compared to what we may do in the UK, would be our choice. So the question is: with the people you have is it possible to get a package or person with a package on board a flight heading to the U.S.?"
"I pray that Allah may grant us a breakthrough through you ... can you please specify your role in the airline industry, how much access do you have to airports, what information do you have on the limitations and cracks in present airport security systems?"
Karim replied: "The kuffar (a derogatory term for non-Muslims) are planning to install full body scanners across UK airports. This allows them to see things under clothes."
But he warned al-Awlaki to be realistic: "You are probably hoping that I work at the airport, but the fact is I don't. I personally know two brothers, one who works in baggage handling at Heathrow and another who works in airport security. Both are good practising brothers and sympathize towards the cause of the mujahedeen."
Replying, al-Awlaki got straight to the point:
"Our highest priority is the U.S. Anything there, even on a smaller scale compared to what we may do in the UK, would be our choice. So the question is: with the people you have is it possible to get a package or person with a package on board a flight heading to the U.S.?"
yes, yes, I know what you'll say--that lawfully introduced and authenticated evidence is fake because yada yada yada freedom.
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Yeah, you just walk through the AQ-held area of Yemen, which is engaged in a civil war...
Recursion
May 2013
#72
Not to be mean here but court testimony can indeed be hearsay. Most of the time, hearsay
24601
May 2013
#60
Did you follow the link and read the federal rules of evidence? One of the exceptions is to allow
24601
May 2013
#85
No one suspected of a crime should be killed outright, unless he is violently resisting.
another_liberal
May 2013
#12
Yes, in hindsight alot of things could and should have been handled differently
cstanleytech
May 2013
#46
Well, I am a hypocrit no question. There is probably NO moral failing I don't commit every day...
Demo_Chris
May 2013
#45
Were you as big a fan of the Unitary Executive when Bush was wielding these powers?
bvar22
May 2013
#108
Sad that it takes the death of a few Americans to get people to pay attention...
Locut0s
May 2013
#111