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happyslug

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46. WHERE DID THIS RESEARCH OCCUR, IQs were invented during WWI NOT Victorian times
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:57 PM
May 2013
1. IQ test only date from 1916, and the main one used only from 1939.

And the most popular test today, was NOT developed till 1939:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient

The Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scales, First developed in 1916, was used by the US Army to evaluate soldiers in WWI, and from that use spread to schools in the 1920s. It has been changed to compete with the later (1939) Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford-Binet_Intelligence_Scales

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wechsler_Adult_Intelligence_Scale

The Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale was used along with the earlier Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scale, till the 1960s, when the Wechsler became the dominate IQ test.

Thus, just based on the changes in the tests, we can NOT go back prior to 1939 with any HOPE of accuracy (and 1916 for any REAL comparison).

2. Most students did NOT take IQ tests till after WWI, if NOT WWI

One of the huge social changes between WWI and WWII is how many men finished High School. This can be seen in the educational level of Recruits of 1918 with those of 1942-1945. The Majority of Recruits in 1918 were NOT High School Graduates, while the Majority of Recruits in 1942-1945 Army were High School Graduates.

Accurate IQ tests require some maturity, generally High School or Middle School. My father dropped out of school at the end of Eighth Grade and joined the work force, which was typical of his background (Rural Maryland, landless farm workers whose family has dissolved due to the Great Depression). Thus a lot of people who did NOT go to High School missed taking an IQ tests in the 1920s and 1930s when IQ test first became popular to be used in Schools. Those people who had the hardest time in School were the most likely to drop out and this less likely to take an IQ tests (and thus missed in the IQ test of the time period, most of this would be an upward movement of IQ tests).

A similar result has been seen in SAT tests results, the Average SAT test results have declined (even as more and more students do 100% on them). Why? A lot of Students who if they were born 40-100 years ago are now taking the SAT tests, but 40-100 years ago would NOT have. Thus bringing the AVERAGE test scores down.

3 A reaction test reflects intelligence???

As for Dr. te Nijenhuis and colleagues, they analyzed the results of 14 intelligence studies conducted between 1884 to 2004, including one by Sir Francis Galton, an English anthropologist and a cousin of Charles Darwin. Each study gauged participants' so-called visual reaction times -- how long it took them to press a button in response to seeing a stimulus. Reaction time reflects a person's mental processing speed, and so is considered an indication of general intelligence.

I hate to point this out, reaction time IS not Intelligence, the difference may be the pool of the people involved AND that today we deal with flashing lights more often then they did in the 1800s and thus more common and thus something less important to react to. I can NOT see how that shows intelligence. If quick reaction was the test, I would lose out to my dog when it came to things that fall off the dining room table.....

4. Bad study, no common base line

This is as bad as the Study that "showed" men were producing less sperm today then in the 1940s. That Study did a sperm count of Men world Wide, and then compared it to the only previous sperm count done in the 1940s in New York City. Yes, there was a clear drop in sperm count, but men in areas with a large number of other men produce much higher number of sperm then men in areas with a lot less men. i.e Men in New York City had high Sperm Counts, but men in rural areas would have had much lower sperm counts in the 1940s (as they did when the Later study on Sperm Count was made and included men from around the world, including men in rural areas). Study did show a difference in Sperm count, but any real comparison would have been urban males to urban males. I suspect the later study did have the data to compare urban males of today to urban males of the 1940s, but I suspect there was no real drop and thus not a headline item.

Lets try to keep studies "Honest", for studies like this one make all studies look silly, and thus a weapon by people who oppose the idea of Global Warming. The Global Warming studies tend to be peer reviewed and errors like I mentioned above addressed before they are released to the General Public. I use to like to read about silly studies like this one about a drop in intelligence (and the one about Men's Sperm Count Dropping), but these silly studies are being used to undermined all studies especially the studies showing Global Warming and its affect.

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So according to this, the problem is more dumb people having kids? NT 7962 May 2013 #1
Yep, that same old tired nineteenth century dysgenics bullshit. Posteritatis May 2013 #11
Also the eugenics argument that the Nazis (and others) used bhikkhu May 2013 #48
Perhaps they only tested educated people in the Victorian era? SharonAnn May 2013 #13
Based on a test of reaction times lolly May 2013 #34
So The Solution Is The Sterilization Of Dumb People DallasNE May 2013 #58
The future Renew Deal May 2013 #2
Especially if absolutely shitty science writing like that linked to above becomes the norm. n/t antigone382 May 2013 #5
Hilarious! I thought exactly of this movie when I saw the post. Sadly, it's coming true. kysrsoze May 2013 #9
"You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded!" backscatter712 May 2013 #35
Don't they know about regression towards the mean? Manifestor_of_Light May 2013 #3
Fucking A science writing is stupid. antigone382 May 2013 #4
100 % maindawg May 2013 #37
i read old books. my 1891 encyclopedia britannica's language is full of colons + semi-colons. pansypoo53219 May 2013 #6
Where do you find old books to read pscot May 2013 #14
I can answer that if you do not mind. dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #21
That is slightly overwhelming pscot May 2013 #23
You need to have an author in mind or a topic dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #26
Thanks pscot May 2013 #39
+1 gvstn May 2013 #38
That means education has come down. caseymoz May 2013 #40
Did you try to write like a 6 year old ? maindawg May 2013 #41
McGuffy Readers were popular in Cleveland public jaysunb May 2013 #42
I have spent a great deal of time defacto7 May 2013 #47
Not inconceivable to me at all ... brett_jv May 2013 #59
If that was true what happened to the very independent Appalachian people? ErikJ May 2013 #7
Ya know... cyberswede May 2013 #8
I love that movie! Brigid May 2013 #24
That started in the 80's. No president has talked to us like adults since Carter. craigmatic May 2013 #53
better get the Gatorade hooked up to my sprinkler... CarrieLynne May 2013 #10
Not Gatorade ... Brawndo! brett_jv May 2013 #60
Few years ago I took a 5 grade test from 1904. I was amazed at how much info that.. BlueJazz May 2013 #12
and tv, replacing reading. dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #29
^^ this ^^ this ^^ this ^^ defacto7 May 2013 #50
The authors of the study could find no moderns as The Second Stone May 2013 #15
Mostly bull$hit WestCoastLib May 2013 #16
Doesn't surprise me in the least. kestrel91316 May 2013 #17
The problem would probably be advances in medical science... Spider Jerusalem May 2013 #18
I bet they didn't know dipsydoodle May 2013 #19
These dumb people are also known as repubilcans. olddad56 May 2013 #20
You mean my IQ could be as high 153? aggiesal May 2013 #22
The Flynn effect is very well documented and it says the opposite is true Exultant Democracy May 2013 #25
so "Westerners" IQ = "human intelligence"? fishwax May 2013 #27
such diversity in that picture! Skittles May 2013 #28
That explains the resurgence of the republican party. n/t Bonhomme Richard May 2013 #30
In the 1800s the Republicans were the good guys and the dems were the bad guys. mucifer May 2013 #51
Smarter in the days of slavery, torture, leeches and witch-burning? ErikJ May 2013 #31
Intelligence doesn't mean compassion or common sense. Also, hindered by lack of information. onehandle May 2013 #32
We outsource our slavery and torture. mucifer May 2013 #52
Is it just me, or did anyone else notice the pop up ad for ''Lumosity'' on this thread? YOHABLO May 2013 #33
On a humorous note... but seriously FlynnArcher72 May 2013 #36
Or listen to 5 minutes of Glen Beck. randome May 2013 #45
Well, people in Victorian times read Dickens and Dostoyevsky Jack Rabbit May 2013 #43
Dumb at its concept. caseymoz May 2013 #44
WHERE DID THIS RESEARCH OCCUR, IQs were invented during WWI NOT Victorian times happyslug May 2013 #46
Pretty sure most scientists are fairly familiar w/basic statistical concepts ... brett_jv May 2013 #61
Not suprised the fucking republicans want to have a whole gopiscrap May 2013 #49
What they want to do is take us back to the era..... AverageJoe90 May 2013 #56
I would reply to this post, but I don't have the time right now... Harry Monroe May 2013 #54
This is complete fucking bullshit. I'm sorry. AverageJoe90 May 2013 #55
two words. tea party. ZRT2209 May 2013 #57
Locking, sorry but this isn't breaking news, was announced last week Rhiannon12866 May 2013 #62
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