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xocet

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15. What you say may - indeed - be true, but the question was not so narrow....
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 01:12 PM
Feb 2012

The actual question really is: What does the new data mean to people who are studying the issue?

Here is an answer from the article:

What does new glacier data mean for the climate debate?
Leo Hickman

...

But does this surprising discovery mean that the world's glaciers – often described as climate change's "canaries in the mine" – are not in fast retreat as a result of warming temperatures, as has long been presumed?

Prof John Wahr of the University of Colorado, one of the study's authors, warned against this conclusion: "Our results and those of everyone else show we are losing a huge amount of water into the oceans every year. People should be just as worried about the melting of the world's ice as they were before." He added: "It is awfully dangerous to take an eight-year record and predict even the next eight years, let alone the next century."

Bamber said the data from the study should not be interpreted to mean that climate change has been "overblown in any way". He said: "It means there is a much larger uncertainty in high mountain Asia than we thought. Taken globally all the observations of the Earth's ice – permafrost, Arctic sea ice, snow cover and glaciers – are going in the same direction."

A breakdown of the data does, indeed, show huge regional variations and uncertainties about the rate of decline in ice mass across the world's largest GICs. Whereas the wider Himalayan region recorded, on average, no appreciable loss, regions such as Alaska, Greenland and Antarctica saw significant declines in ice mass. In total, the world's largest GICs lost between 443-629bn tonnes of meltwater. This is causing sea levels to rise by about 1.5mm a year on average, concluded the study, in addition to the 2mm a year caused by expansion of the warming ocean.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/10/glacier-data-climate-change-debate


Do you have a more considered response than your previous one - a response that might address the newly reported results in the context of the accumulated body of data? Whether you do or not, the whole article is worth reading since it does offer such considered responses.

Beyond that, do you know a lot of people who have "adopted climate change as their religion"? Do you post your opinion against them or against the very notion of climate change? Inquiring minds want to know...and - yes - that pun is intended for you.

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Nothing, zippo. bemildred Feb 2012 #1
Maybe the lower altitude glaciers are more suseptible to the warming because of shraby Feb 2012 #2
Definitely a possibility. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #3
The Higher Glaciers are Most Likely Colder On the Road Feb 2012 #4
That and due to temps rising, it puts more moisture in the air Javaman Feb 2012 #11
And the rising moisture re-freezes, so the key is how HIGH they are relative to significant water patrice Feb 2012 #19
Aren't the effects of Climate change felt more strongly at or near the poles? stufl Feb 2012 #5
They need to have a boo at the glaciers in Alberta TrogL Feb 2012 #6
This is like opening your freezer SaintPete Feb 2012 #7
It means nothing to people who have adopted climate change as their religion. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2012 #8
thanks for the rw meme Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #12
What you say may - indeed - be true, but the question was not so narrow.... xocet Feb 2012 #15
False Equivalency.What isn't known in one case is likely different, or not significant, in the other patrice Feb 2012 #16
What an odd statement. drm604 Feb 2012 #21
Nothing. The Himalayas are just one teensy spot on the planet. kestrel91316 Feb 2012 #9
the snows of kilimanjaro are almost gone...permanent snow and glaciers in wiggs Feb 2012 #10
Means you shouldn't over simplify the thing that we are talking about. Just like ice-storms in patrice Feb 2012 #13
There is no 'debate'. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #14
Other reports differ JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2012 #17
Well duh! Guess what - space is still cold too! Taverner Feb 2012 #18
That is a speculative article, not LBN , dipsydoodle Feb 2012 #20
Locking Hutzpa Feb 2012 #22
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