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JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
31. England delayed extraditing Pinochet giving him many years to
Wed May 29, 2013, 05:08 PM
May 2013

enjoy his guilt. Compared to Pinochet, Assange is an angel no matter how you look at it.

http://en.mercopress.com/2012/08/24/correa-recalls-the-uk-non-extradition-of-pinochet-on-humanitarian-reasons

The details on Pinochet's retrieve at that website. Here is more:

Within hours of the 8 a.m. announcement Thursday morning that Britain was halting extradition proceedings against Augusto Pinochet, the former dictator was onboard a plane heading back to Chile. The rapidity of the indicted torturer's exit stands in marked contrast to the ponderous pace at which the extradition process was conducted since his arrest in October 1998.

Pinochet's supporters in Santiago greeted reports of his impending return with jubilation. Retired General Luis Cortes Via, executive director of the Pinochet Foundation, said, “We're very happy ... justice has been done.” The armed forces were making arrangements for a ceremony to welcome back their former commander-in-chief.

Defenders of General Pinochet in the British Conservative Party also voiced their pleasure at his release. Former Conservative Chancellor Norman Lamont, one of Pinochet's most vocal supporters alongside Margaret Thatcher, described the extradition attempt as a “shabby episode”.

Groups representing those who had been tortured in Chile and the relatives of the “disappeared" expressed their regret that he was free to go home. Reed Brody, advocacy director of Human Rights Watch, said, “It's a terrible disappointment for Pinochet's thousands of victims that he will not face trial in Spain.” In Santiago, 24-year-old student Henrika Harkko said, “We have tried to make the world listen, we wanted justice, we are not getting it.”

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2000/03/pino-m03.html

Pinochet was finally arrested and returned himself to Chile before he died -- never convicted of his crimes.

General Augusto Pinochet was indicted for human rights violations committed in his native Chile by Spanish magistrate Baltasar Garzón on 10 October 1998. He was arrested in London six days later and held for a year and a half before finally being released by the British government in March 2000. Authorized to freely return to Chile, Pinochet was there first indicted by judge Juan Guzmán Tapia, and charged with a number of crimes, before dying on 10 December 2006, without having been convicted in any case. His arrest in London made the front-page of newspapers worldwide as not only did it involve the head of the military dictatorship that ruled Chile between 1973 and 1990, but it was the first time that several European judges applied the principle of universal jurisdiction, declaring themselves competent to judge crimes committed by former heads of state, despite local amnesty laws.

Pinochet came to power in a violent 11 September 1973 coup which deposed Socialist President Salvador Allende. His 17-year regime was responsible for numerous human rights violations, a number of which committed as part of Operation Condor, an illegal effort to suppress political opponents in Chile and abroad in coordination with foreign intelligence agencies. Pinochet was also accused of using his position to pursue personal enrichment through embezzlement of government funds, the illegal drug trade and illegal arms trade. The Rettig Report found that at least 2,279 persons were conclusively murdered by the Chilean government for political reasons during Pinochet's regime, and the Valech Report found that at least 30,000 persons were tortured by the government for political reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment_and_arrest_of_Augusto_Pinochet

Compare the allegations against Pinochet with those against Assange. Who was the greater criminal? Who was allowed to live free and never sentenced?

And the allegations against Assange? How does a woman admit that she consented to sex yet prove that she did not consent to unprotected sex? Her word against his? The evidence that unprotected sex occurred? Might be possible to get. But the evidence that there was no consent? That's a tough one. Unless she set a trap and taperecorded the whole thing. Even if her testimony is compelling, she may not really remember what she said. I think the case is rather hopeless. There will always be doubt about what happened. Unfortunately, not every wrong can be righted -- as is proved by Pinochet's story.

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The British government has never been fond of granting anybody human rights. bemildred May 2013 #1
Would you be in favour of letting people off criminal allegations because they say they're political muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #3
LOL. Yes, I crush puppies for fun too. bemildred May 2013 #4
You support what he did with the women, even according to their accounts? muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #5
I don't believe that is what this is about. bemildred May 2013 #6
Thank you pmorlan1 May 2013 #10
Wouldn't he be more likely to be extradited from ENGLAND? telclaven May 2013 #15
He was extradited from Britain, that's why he is in the embassy. nt bemildred May 2013 #16
He hasnt been extradited until he is out of the country and hiding inside an embassy doesnt count. cstanleytech May 2013 #17
He hasn't been extradited because he is hiding in the embassy. nt bemildred May 2013 #19
Yes and I said as much. nt cstanleytech May 2013 #22
Right, so whether he might be extradited from Britain (post #15) is a moot point? bemildred May 2013 #23
Assuming your speculation is correct that the US wants to keep him penned up, silenced cstanleytech May 2013 #24
I think lots of people want to keep him penned up etc. Not just the US. bemildred May 2013 #25
To SWEDEN telclaven May 2013 #18
Right. nt bemildred May 2013 #20
So you do think the political situation takes precedence over the criminal one muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #21
"stick to international agreements, and extradite him to Sweden, for their judicial process to work" cstanleytech May 2013 #26
Just like the US tried to extradite him from the UK? brooklynite May 2013 #35
When did the US file to extradite him? I know Sweden filed due to a sexual assault accusation cstanleytech May 2013 #40
That's my point... brooklynite May 2013 #41
But the law is what will be applied treestar May 2013 #28
Probably would not be the first time the UK refused to extradite someone. JDPriestly May 2013 #30
And Pinochet should have been extradited to Spain muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #38
The moment Assange stops trying to avoid Sweden... randome May 2013 #2
The UK, along with most of the world, does not recognize diplomatic asylum hack89 May 2013 #7
England delayed extraditing Pinochet giving him many years to JDPriestly May 2013 #31
Pinochet did not claim asylum. hack89 May 2013 #36
But it wasn't. JDPriestly May 2013 #47
They made one poor choice. No reason to repeat the mistake. hack89 May 2013 #49
Its an interesting argument though isn't it? Bodhi BloodWave May 2013 #55
They've probably had enough of an unshaven, unwashed Assange hanging out at their embassy. Nye Bevan May 2013 #8
That's quite an imagination you've got there. bitchkitty May 2013 #9
They might be getting sick of him there. hrmjustin May 2013 #12
And they might not. bitchkitty May 2013 #13
Fair enough! So what do you think will happen in the end? hrmjustin May 2013 #14
Some sort of settlement. bitchkitty May 2013 #42
And they may be proudly standing up for free speech and JDPriestly May 2013 #32
Do you think they will give him up in the end? hrmjustin May 2013 #33
I have no idea. What do you think? JDPriestly May 2013 #48
Eventually an agreement will have to be made. hrmjustin May 2013 #52
And not flushing the toilet, apparently....nt msanthrope May 2013 #27
Your ongoing slagging of humane governments in Latin America isn't going to persuade Peace Patriot May 2013 #11
"...pioneering work of investigative reporting..." Are you kidding? randome May 2013 #29
You mean like the AP and Fox News? JDPriestly May 2013 #34
Which is probably why the U.S. does not want him. He published 'old news' that changed nothing. randome May 2013 #37
Why do conservatives hate whistle-blowers? nm rhett o rick May 2013 #39
You should find one to ask! randome May 2013 #43
What kind of evidence could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt JDPriestly May 2013 #46
I have no idea. But Assange could clear the entire matter up by going to Sweden. randome May 2013 #50
If it is his word against hers and the politics of his situation makes him feel JDPriestly May 2013 #53
Again, I have no idea. But in a 'he said/she said' situation, why automatically side with Assange? randome May 2013 #54
That's why countries have laws, legal systems and trials hack89 May 2013 #51
Not everyone swoons over those drama queens Assange and Correa Zorro May 2013 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author randome May 2013 #44
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