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pampango

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26. "1/3 supported Assad, 1/3 supported the rebellion, 1/3 wanted political reform but not a civil war."
Thu May 30, 2013, 08:09 AM
May 2013

So 2/3 of Syrians wanted either Assad gone or a "political reform" (more representative government, less repression?) which Assad could expect would endanger his continued rule or at a minimum reduce his absolute power.

If Assad accepted and his security services accepted that analysis, I can see the wisdom (from Assad's perspective) of the policy pursued. "Political reform" leading to a more representative government and less repression could easily be viewed as dangerous to Assad who is from a minority group in a majority-Sunni country. (Similarly 'political reform' was a dangerous concept to many whites in apartheid South Africa because a more representative government and less repression would likely lead to a non-white majority government.

OTOH, Assad could assess that repressing the rebellion violently, while it might generate outside support for the 1/3 who supported the rebellion, was a better strategy than 'political reform'. The best-case scenario was that his well-armed military would win a quick victory over civilians and defecting soldiers. If the military could not pull that off, but remained loyal to him, and the conflict turned into a protracted civil war, the 1/3 who wanted 'political reform' but not at the expense of a civil war might, reluctantly perhaps, come back and support him.

No one ever accused Assad of not being a smart guy.

"If the Saudis and the Qataris hadn't poured billions into trying to overthrow Assad, there would be no civil war."

That is probably true. In Assad's best-case scenario (above) his military would have triumphed, as his father had done in Hama in 1982, and he could have gone back to being a dictator with no 'political reform'.

Of course, if Russia "hadn't poured billions into trying to ... support ... Assad, there would be no civil war." It has taken his military over 2 years to seemingly get the upper hand over the rebels even with massive military supplies from Moscow. Who knows how this would have played out without that.

"The Gulf Arabs and the West thought they could pull another Libya, and that the Assad regime would crumble."

Perhaps, but at the outset of the Arab Spring 2/3 of Syrians wanted Assad gone or political reforms that might have led to his departure. It sounds like Syrian Arabs thought they could pull another Tunisia or Egypt, as well.

How many dead Syrians will Assad accept to avoid giving up power or accepting political reforms that might lead to a more representative government with less repression (neither of which is conducive to continued Assad family rule of Syria)?

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Don't give a damn. Fuck them. Megalo_Man May 2013 #1
So you support the Assad regime, huh? SkyDaddy7 May 2013 #3
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #4
Wow oberliner May 2013 #6
The user name is a giveaway. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #8
Yes, I absolutely support the Assad regime if they are the alternative. Megalo_Man May 2013 #5
Seriously? oberliner May 2013 #7
Not to mention belowaveragenin May 2013 #9
Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin May 2013 #12
How did you choose your screen name? oberliner May 2013 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #10
Right now the Islamic radicals are... SkyDaddy7 May 2013 #14
Aiding Islamists? nyabingi May 2013 #16
REALLY?!?! SkyDaddy7 Jun 2013 #37
Assad is a ruthless totalitarian dictator and a butcher. The Stranger May 2013 #17
That must explain why the Iraqi refugees rastaone May 2013 #18
Well, you sure have the bar set high. The Stranger May 2013 #29
That's funny, I don't recall seeing Assad eating human organs eissa May 2013 #19
How do you know that "the Syrians themselves" prefer a "brutal, secular dictatorship" over pampango May 2013 #20
I'll take the word of my family eissa May 2013 #21
My wife's family lives in the Philippines. I respect their political opinions but realize they pampango May 2013 #24
I'm not sure why this is so difficult to understand eissa May 2013 #32
Actually I agree with you for the most part. While the majority might prefer Assad gone, given pampango May 2013 #34
Who militarized the conflict first? eissa May 2013 #35
If you believe that the opposition militarized the conflict first, then we disagree on facts pampango May 2013 #36
When this first started... Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #22
"1/3 supported Assad, 1/3 supported the rebellion, 1/3 wanted political reform but not a civil war." pampango May 2013 #26
That's a false dichotomy. The Stranger May 2013 #27
"Eating human organs"? The Stranger May 2013 #28
The video has been spread widely eissa May 2013 #31
Perhaps more like the Shah than like Pinochet or Amin. pampango May 2013 #30
Your post is more polite, but just as objectionable to me as his - although both of you karynnj May 2013 #11
They aren't a unified Force. John2 May 2013 #2
So who will represent the opposition at a negotiating conference Adsos Letter May 2013 #15
How about the Emir of Qatar? He paid for the civil war. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #23
Obviously I support the progressive democratic liberal side of this conflict. jessie04 May 2013 #25
Please watch this on PBS eissa May 2013 #33
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