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naaman fletcher

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5. Returning spies...

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:14 AM

Jun 2013

So why hasn't Cuba returned Allen Gross?

In any event, he may perfectly well be a spy, but to state categorically that he was is just as wrong to state categorically that he was not. There is zero positive evidence that he was a spy, just as there is zero proof he was not. He may have been a spy, and he may have been a dope.

Personally I tend to doubt the CIA would send a guy who doesn't even speak spanish to do a job in VZLA.

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Venezuela frees, expels U.S. filmmaker [View all] Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 OP

And for those interested about this "Film Maker" zeemike Jun 2013 #1

independent film maker. he's done other films Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #2

Because everyone knows bitchkitty Jun 2013 #3

lack of evidence no doubt. So why was he detained in the first place? n/t Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #9

For espionage? bitchkitty Jun 2013 #11

Why, no, there's no doubt that everything the Venezuelan government geek tragedy Jun 2013 #17

Oh, you're so right. bitchkitty Jun 2013 #55

No, I'm agreeing with those who have never found geek tragedy Jun 2013 #56

I guess I'll answer my own question: bitchkitty Jun 2013 #57

yep, arrested without evidence, I agree with everything else you said about arresting an innocent Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #18

Because knowing and proving are two different things. bitchkitty Jun 2013 #19

Maduro ordered his arrest personally Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #20

Who is looking? zeemike Jun 2013 #23

no entiendo n/t Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #26

I have seen no statement from Venezuelan officials. zeemike Jun 2013 #28

the 'reasons' for his arrest have been in the news, his release coincides with John Kerry Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #29

The reason according to WaPo zeemike Jun 2013 #30

�The gringo who financed the violent groups has been captured,� Maduro said Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #31

He was not a citizen zeemike Jun 2013 #34

so?? Venezuela can prosectute non-citizens. Telesur TV, funded by the Ven government Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #37

Well if they did they would be deported unless they committed some crime. zeemike Jun 2013 #38

You are not getting it. Telesur is a Ven government funded network Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #40

And you know that VZ has no evidence. zeemike Jun 2013 #53

Name those other films zeemike Jun 2013 #4

Returning spies... naaman fletcher Jun 2013 #5

Because we signed a pact with Russia zeemike Jun 2013 #10

IMDB OKNancy Jun 2013 #6

Actual evidence of his background and production experience. How inconvenient. Psephos Jun 2013 #39

What a pathetic argument. Lots of indy filmmakers act as their own camera crew. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #12

And a lot of CIA operatives act as filmmakers too zeemike Jun 2013 #15

You're the one accepting as the gospel truth something the government says. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #16

Just as you refuse to engage in any scepticism of our claims. zeemike Jun 2013 #21

So, let me get this straight: geek tragedy Jun 2013 #22

I won't bite on the straw man. zeemike Jun 2013 #24

You will have to forgive those of us who treat Venezuela's government geek tragedy Jun 2013 #25

And you will have to forgive me if I treat your hyperbole zeemike Jun 2013 #27

Seriously? It sounds like Maduro got liquored up and saw 'Argo.' nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #42

Do you recommend getting "liquored up" as a method for enjoying movies more? Judi Lynn Jun 2013 #46

Every poster in the DU Lounge can't be wrong! nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #47

The ones who insist he's an "innocent filmmaker" because he says so are not that "naive," Judi Lynn Jun 2013 #48

Yep it is sad. zeemike Jun 2013 #50

Venezuela presented no evidence he was a spy, he was arrested on a whim Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #52

Arrested on a whim? Is that right? What "evidence" do you have for that? Judi Lynn Jun 2013 #54

I found him easily using IMDB OKNancy Jun 2013 #7

Well on the two I looked up zeemike Jun 2013 #13

you can be skeptical, but in this case OKNancy Jun 2013 #14

The expelled him, actually. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2013 #49

Got it. If the Venezuelan government locks him up, he's EVIL!!!! Recursion Jun 2013 #32

What is the difference between that and zeemike Jun 2013 #33

More OKNancy Jun 2013 #8

If he has no crew or previous film history he is a spy... Bonx Jun 2013 #35

He's just some low-level dudebro producer. Ash_F Jun 2013 #36

The filmmaker's family was clever: they got Democratic former Congressman William Delehunt to help, Judi Lynn Jun 2013 #41

If Bill Delahunt vouched for this kid, then he's no spy. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #43

He's no spy. n/t Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #45

The truth doesn't require guile. Dreamer Tatum Jun 2013 #44

Does that mean that guile is not truth? zeemike Jun 2013 #51