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40. You are not getting it. Telesur is a Ven government funded network

Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:52 PM

Jun 2013

who has and continues to do stories in the US including about social conflict, and the Occupy movement which on occassion resulted in violent clashes with authorities. Tracy was arrested and thrown in jail for interviewing opposition protesters. My point about Telesur is that they are obviously being paid by the Ven government so therefore should we arrest them as spies? We could try them as such in the US courts.

Just as Venezuela could have tried Tracy but since he wasn't a spy they have no evidence I suppose they just let him go although I am sure they want something in return.

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Venezuela frees, expels U.S. filmmaker [View all] Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 OP

And for those interested about this "Film Maker" zeemike Jun 2013 #1

independent film maker. he's done other films Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #2

Because everyone knows bitchkitty Jun 2013 #3

lack of evidence no doubt. So why was he detained in the first place? n/t Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #9

For espionage? bitchkitty Jun 2013 #11

Why, no, there's no doubt that everything the Venezuelan government geek tragedy Jun 2013 #17

Oh, you're so right. bitchkitty Jun 2013 #55

No, I'm agreeing with those who have never found geek tragedy Jun 2013 #56

I guess I'll answer my own question: bitchkitty Jun 2013 #57

yep, arrested without evidence, I agree with everything else you said about arresting an innocent Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #18

Because knowing and proving are two different things. bitchkitty Jun 2013 #19

Maduro ordered his arrest personally Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #20

Who is looking? zeemike Jun 2013 #23

no entiendo n/t Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #26

I have seen no statement from Venezuelan officials. zeemike Jun 2013 #28

the 'reasons' for his arrest have been in the news, his release coincides with John Kerry Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #29

The reason according to WaPo zeemike Jun 2013 #30

�The gringo who financed the violent groups has been captured,� Maduro said Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #31

He was not a citizen zeemike Jun 2013 #34

so?? Venezuela can prosectute non-citizens. Telesur TV, funded by the Ven government Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #37

Well if they did they would be deported unless they committed some crime. zeemike Jun 2013 #38

You are not getting it. Telesur is a Ven government funded network Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #40

And you know that VZ has no evidence. zeemike Jun 2013 #53

Name those other films zeemike Jun 2013 #4

Returning spies... naaman fletcher Jun 2013 #5

Because we signed a pact with Russia zeemike Jun 2013 #10

IMDB OKNancy Jun 2013 #6

Actual evidence of his background and production experience. How inconvenient. Psephos Jun 2013 #39

What a pathetic argument. Lots of indy filmmakers act as their own camera crew. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #12

And a lot of CIA operatives act as filmmakers too zeemike Jun 2013 #15

You're the one accepting as the gospel truth something the government says. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #16

Just as you refuse to engage in any scepticism of our claims. zeemike Jun 2013 #21

So, let me get this straight: geek tragedy Jun 2013 #22

I won't bite on the straw man. zeemike Jun 2013 #24

You will have to forgive those of us who treat Venezuela's government geek tragedy Jun 2013 #25

And you will have to forgive me if I treat your hyperbole zeemike Jun 2013 #27

Seriously? It sounds like Maduro got liquored up and saw 'Argo.' nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #42

Do you recommend getting "liquored up" as a method for enjoying movies more? Judi Lynn Jun 2013 #46

Every poster in the DU Lounge can't be wrong! nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #47

The ones who insist he's an "innocent filmmaker" because he says so are not that "naive," Judi Lynn Jun 2013 #48

Yep it is sad. zeemike Jun 2013 #50

Venezuela presented no evidence he was a spy, he was arrested on a whim Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #52

Arrested on a whim? Is that right? What "evidence" do you have for that? Judi Lynn Jun 2013 #54

I found him easily using IMDB OKNancy Jun 2013 #7

Well on the two I looked up zeemike Jun 2013 #13

you can be skeptical, but in this case OKNancy Jun 2013 #14

The expelled him, actually. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2013 #49

Got it. If the Venezuelan government locks him up, he's EVIL!!!! Recursion Jun 2013 #32

What is the difference between that and zeemike Jun 2013 #33

More OKNancy Jun 2013 #8

If he has no crew or previous film history he is a spy... Bonx Jun 2013 #35

He's just some low-level dudebro producer. Ash_F Jun 2013 #36

The filmmaker's family was clever: they got Democratic former Congressman William Delehunt to help, Judi Lynn Jun 2013 #41

If Bill Delahunt vouched for this kid, then he's no spy. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #43

He's no spy. n/t Bacchus4.0 Jun 2013 #45

The truth doesn't require guile. Dreamer Tatum Jun 2013 #44

Does that mean that guile is not truth? zeemike Jun 2013 #51