Obama Defends Surveillance Programs as Legal and Limited

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83. *bunnies*

I like your style too. Seriously, you just impressed the hell out of me.

I was trying to think of a way to not put you on the defensive, and instead take a second look at this. I *do* get where you're coming from, and I'll be the first to stand with you to ridicule or condemn freepers. But this is beyond progs vs. freepers. This stuff is scary and gets scarier the deeper you look.

To answer your question, the so-called warrant they get is a blanket warrant issued by secret judges with no oversight and no public disclosure. It covers everyone on a server system (for example, Facebook or Apple) in advance. They can monitor in real time under this so-called warrant. No actual person's name is on the warrant. It includes *everyone* on the server. What kind of "warrant" is that???

This is a complete mockery of the Fourth Amendment.

The only way to roll this back is through sustained public outrage that has political consequences for the elites who put it into place. It will not be easy. I can't think of a more progressive cause.